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Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by NoPicklez »

dbt00 wrote: post #26
WORMS_EAT_WORMS wrote: post #9

If I was evil and stuck these to ex-girlfriend/boyfriend car or something, illegal? Edit: Downvoters. I am not doing this obviously. Am asking as this is the clear abuse I see. Tracking people without permission. I see this as being a weird legal thing we hear about down the road.

From the link: "iOS devices can also detect an AirTag that isn’t with its owner, and notify the user if an unknown AirTag is seen to be traveling with them from place to place over time."

That doesn't really explain what would happen if the person didn't have an iPhone to receive such notifications? Perhaps they're an Android user.

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by dylan604 »

arthurcolle wrote: post #920
dylan604 wrote: post #596

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I think the GPS collars would be better for this

Didn't realize this was a product segment, thanks! Do you have a recommendation by any chance? Seems to be a lot of participants in this space, but not really sure which one is the most legit.

I don't have any personal experience. I had adopted a cat that came with the house I moved into a few years ago, and she was one to roam the neighborhood. Out of curiosity, I wondered if there were products to do that kind of tracking, and yes there are. Some require a cloud type of service. Some require you to download the data. They all require getting the cat to wear the collar, and this one was not going to put up with that kind of domestication one bit.

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by cesarvarela »

psychometry wrote: post #310
limaoscarjuliet wrote: post #278

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I used tractive. It is bulky and requires daily charging making it not so good for cats. I will likely play with Air Tag, as my cats usually travel in highly populated areas, so they should be seen by many people.

Would you like to hear the lecture about why cats should be kept indoors now? Or have you already heard and ignored it many times?

I do this but I feel like Im keeping them from living life to the fullest. They’ll live more but at what cost?

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by xondono »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #933
xondono wrote: post #924

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I'm not talking about NRE costs, I'm talking about very real manufacturing costs that you are ignoring. Modern battery packs are one of these things that if you haven't designed one you tend to think they're simple, but have a lot of hidden complexity. Just as an example, modern batteries require keeping track of a lot of parameters and metrics, and require keeping control of things like cell balancing. Making a batt…

Okay, that's an actual cost. But: 1. That just moves from phone to battery, doesn't it? That's not a cost increase for the bundle. 2. You don't need fancy things like cell balancing for a phone battery. 3. Even with this chip it's $4 BoM for small batches and significantly less in bulk. So that could be a 1% cost increase. So we have that, a thin plastic shell, and a tiny connector. How are we hitting 20-30% increase…

1. Except now you need a new PCB, a new subassembly, new procedures...

2. You need a lot of fancy things, just not cell balancing. That “battery health indicator” all iphones have, guess where that’s from.

You can take it from someone who has built several devices with replaceable batteries, or we can just keep debating until I’ve fully explain to you how you actually build one of these.

The thing is, I don’t want to waste more time on this, you can do your research on your own, or just keep your preconceptions, whatever floats your boat.

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by mgalgs »

tekknik wrote: post #909
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #877

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I see you do not have a child. I hate the trite “oh, you'll know when you're a parent!” stuff as much as the next person, but… have you met a one-year-old? So curious, and so quick to eat new things: a bad combo if I've ever seen one.

Hmm, so I have no child and no experience huh? What happened to baby proofing houses? Keeping items they shouldn’t eat out of reach? As a parent it is your job to keep that child safe until they can do the same, and leaving dangerous items around is failing that one task. You don’t leave things around that hurts your child, be it guns or batteries.

This is just too good... If you ever have children please remember this thread. Only then will you finally understand how ridiculous you look right now.

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by Dylan16807 »

xondono wrote: post #944
Dylan16807 wrote: post #933

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Okay, that's an actual cost. But: 1. That just moves from phone to battery, doesn't it? That's not a cost increase for the bundle. 2. You don't need fancy things like cell balancing for a phone battery. 3. Even with this chip it's $4 BoM for small batches and significantly less in bulk. So that could be a 1% cost increase. So we have that, a thin plastic shell, and a tiny connector. How are we hitting 20-30% increase…

1. Except now you need a new PCB, a new subassembly, new procedures... 2. You need a lot of fancy things, just not cell balancing. That “battery health indicator” all iphones have, guess where that’s from. You can take it from someone who has built several devices with replaceable batteries, or we can just keep debating until I’ve fully explain to you how you actually build one of these. The thing is, I don’t want to…

> 1. Except now you need a new PCB, a new subassembly, new procedures...

Every phone needs new subassemblies and procedures. For the PCB, you end up with an extra one that's tiny true.

> 2. You need a lot of fancy things, just not cell balancing. That “battery health indicator” all iphones have, guess where that’s from.

Sure, okay.

> You can take it from someone who has built several devices with replaceable batteries, or we can just keep debating until I’ve fully explain to you how you actually build one of these.

> The thing is, I don’t want to waste more time on this, you can do your research on your own, or just keep your preconceptions, whatever floats your boat.

Where would I look?

I'm trying to follow your logic. But you mostly keep naming things phones already have. They already have all this engineering work. They already have the battery chip, it just changes location. And that chip is less than $3.

Could you please give me a couple sentence explanation of how you arrived at 20-30% for a phone that's designed from the start to have a removable battery? You keep nitpicking me for not understanding an argument that you never explained!

My understanding goes something like this: Posit a $600 phone of which $50 is the battery pouch. Remove battery pouch and chip from phone, replace with a connector, phone now costs $550? Add plastic shell and $3 chip and connector and tiny PCB onto the battery pouch. For the total price to rise 20%, doing that has to cost more than $100 and leave you with a battery that costs more than $150. How?

And phones didn't get massively cheaper when they stopped letting you remove batteries...

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by dexterdog »

mrunkel wrote: post #655
quangv wrote: post #645

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Tile sends me free replaceable batteries. Hopefully AirTag opens up their API so Tile can integrate. I’m just assuming AirTag would be slightly more integrated than Tile.

The “find my” app is open to third party devices, but they have to get certified.

That's a funny way of saying they have to pay for the license.

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by theshrike79 »

ggrelet wrote: post #886
theshrike79 wrote: post #699

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You can create the holder from any biodegradable materials, leather or cardboard etc. No need to use "non-recyclable plastic".

But that’s precisely what all these Chinese marketplaces won’t offer.

No one is forcing you to buy the holder from China.

You can go to your local artisan and ask them to craft it from any material you choose. It's not a complicated form to create a slot for.

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by richardowright »

zxcvgm wrote: post #211
crazygringo wrote: post #71

I thought one of the big use cases for this was to track stolen items, like a backpack or maybe even a bicycle. But the "anti-stalking" feature will notify someone if an AirTag they don't own appears to be traveling with them. Does this render it useless for anti-theft, then? Since it will just notify a thief that the bike they just stole is being tracked, and they can look for the AirTag and throw it in the nearest…

I too, found the anti-stalking features might hinder the use of AirTags for locating intentionally stolen items: (1) it has a removable battery, and also (2) "someone can tap [the tag] with their iPhone or NFC-capable device and instructions will guide them to disable the unknown AirTag". The anti-stalking feature also seems to contradict its privacy features: > Bluetooth signal identifiers transmitted by AirTag rota…

When the ID changes on the tag, a nearby device can link the two id's together since they're in the same 'position' (i.e. id x was at y position and now id z is there, so id x = id y). However, someone who is not there wouldn't be able to link those ID's together. This gets you the privacy feature and the anti-stalking feature. (The anti-stalking feature likely wouldn't need a perfect series of matches; if you have a good chain of them, you'd have good confidence.)

Re: Apple Introduces AirTag

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Post by tekknik »

leokennis wrote: post #817
tekknik wrote: post #811

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I’m sorry, you have a child and didn’t know button batteries (or batteries in general) were dangerous? Is there not a clear choking hazard and the knowledge it’s filled with toxic/hazardous chemicals? This should be common sense.

Nice way to shame someone brave enough to admit they were lacking in knowledge and announcing action to improve their live.

Notice how you’re not explaining why I look ridiculous? Please, tell me how an infant is smarter than you
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