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Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by mdoms » Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 3:17 AM UTC

pgt wrote: post #390

A compelling way to enact change at large corporates is to vocally communicate when and why you are forced back into a buying position as a customer. Apple VPs who are listening, especially Craig Federighi - here is an early warning for you. The HN crowd may seem fringe, but they are living in the future. I de-Googled my entire life over similar transgressions by Google and several of my friends are gradually going t…

> And even though I just bought an MBP16, Apple monitoring every binary I run makes me want to sell it immediately and never buy another iPhone, Watch or Macbook.

You'll keep buying Apple stuff. I know it, you know it and Apple knows it. If all of their past transgressions hadn't changed your mind you'll keep doing it. Cut the shit.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by jkaplowitz » Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 3:44 AM UTC

bangonkeyboard wrote: post #587

areoform wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

> they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries" That switch was toggled with Big Sur and Apple silicon: https://mjtsai.com/blog/2020/08/19/apple-silicon-macs-to-req...

While true, that doesn't mean that an Apple-controlled key decides which apps will run:

> There isn’t a specific identity requirement for this signature: a simple ad-hoc signature issued locally is sufficient, which includes signatures which are now generated automatically by the linker. This new behavior doesn’t change the long-established policy that our users and developers can run arbitrary code on their Macs, and is designed to simplify the execution policies on Apple silicon Mac computers and enable the system to better detect code modifications.

(Source is the link you provided.)

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by MeatBro » Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 3:56 AM UTC

areoform wrote: post #533

submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

System76 may be good

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by zepto » Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 4:42 AM UTC

Tepix wrote: post #718

Imagine you are a software developer and want to learn about the boot process and implement your own bootloader. A popular exercise. You can't boot your self-written software on your "own" Apple Silicon Mac. There is no way to disable the locked down boot process. You may argue that it's still your computer and you can do what you want with it. You're wrong.

You may want to reprogram the computer in your car too.

You’ll discover there is no way to do so.

You may argue that it’s still your car and you can do what you want with it. You’re wrong.

Wait - what am I saying? - that makes no sense. Of course it’s your car.

Ahh, this is a bogus argument!

Just because there are things you don’t know how do with something doesn’t mean it isn’t yours.

It turns that all objects are this way!

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by ummonk » Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 4:59 AM UTC

submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

I had both my personal and work laptop become unresponsive at the same time. I was wondering what kind of problem could cause that - was thinking EM interference or possibly something on my network. This explains it.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by xbar » Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 5:33 AM UTC

areoform wrote: post #533

submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

Buy an Intel Macbook Pro and boot Linux.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by zelly » Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 5:34 AM UTC

xbar wrote: post #946

areoform wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

Buy an Intel Macbook Pro and boot Linux.

Then you don't get to use what is probably the biggest selling point of MBPs, their patented touchpad and gestures.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by zelly » Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 5:42 AM UTC

xxz223 wrote: post #886

quantgenius wrote: post #870

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get a Thinkpad. I replaced a 2015 MacBook Pro with a Thinkpad P1 Gen2 and love it. The trackpad isn’t as nice. The keyboard is better. Running WSL2 you have a great Unixy development environment in Windows. Or just install Linux. As thin and light as a MacBook Pro. Much better thermals, though still not awesome. Other, somewhat larger Thinkpads have better thermals. You can upgrade your RAM, add 2 SSDs and other peri…

If I got a Thinkpad I'd switch to Linux. I absolutely can't stand the Windows UI.

Linux UI is far worse than Windows. It's not even close. I use Linux but definitely not for its UI.

Windows can out-of-the-box do HiDPI, multiple monitors, multiple desktops, trackpad gestures, hardware accelerated UI rendering, facial recognition logins, and more. It was designed as a desktop OS.

On Linux some things are getting better if you stick to the Wayland+GNOME stack, but it's still so bad I can't recommend it to people on technical grounds. Use it if you believe in free software, not because you think it's "better" (it's not).

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by pkulak » Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 7:03 AM UTC

areoform wrote: post #533

submeta wrote: post #2

Unbelievable. When I read the tweet (tried to post here as well), I suddenly realized why my Mac was unresponsive an hour ago. Here is another tweet that describes the problem in more detail: https://mobile.twitter.com/llanga/status/1326989724704268289 > I am currently unable to work because macOS sends hashes of every opened executable to some server of theirs and when `trustd` and `syspolicyd` are unable to do so,…

So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

Do you _really_ need a laptop? That's my solution to the problem of no good Linux laptops. I've got a desktop at home now, and when I go back to the office, I'll pick up a mini desktop. I'll keep an old MacBook in a drawer if I need to take it into a meeting. When I used laptops only, they were just plugged into a monitor/keyboard/mouse at all times anyway.

Re: macOS unable to open any non-Apple application

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Post by bobmaxup » Sat, Nov 14, 2020, 7:10 AM UTC

pkulak wrote: post #949

areoform wrote: post #533

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So yesterday I wrote about the blurring lines of ownership, and people came back with some fairly disparate responses. It's fair to say that I was mostly dismissed. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25058952 And this is why I won't be moving to Apple silicon. Apple already has the ability to restrict whats apps I can run (they can simply toggle a switch for all users to "no unsigned binaries"), and congrats! Apple…

Do you _really_ need a laptop? That's my solution to the problem of no good Linux laptops. I've got a desktop at home now, and when I go back to the office, I'll pick up a mini desktop. I'll keep an old MacBook in a drawer if I need to take it into a meeting. When I used laptops only, they were just plugged into a monitor/keyboard/mouse at all times anyway.

What would make a good linux laptop for you?