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Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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Ah. The AP. Ideologically it's NTY's parent org. Called #7 before it came down[2]. Amazing really.

The US is -not- going to be run by the modern uncle police[1]. 2020 is just getting interesting.

I predict Trump legally gets a 3rd term.

[1] http://v6y.net/unclepolice.mp4

[2] https://s3.amazonaws.com/nasathermalimages/public/video/pret...

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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There's a famous optical illusion with a spinning silhouette of a dancer. When you look at it, you'll swear it's spinning in one direction -- say, counter-clockwise. In fact, you'll be so sure it's spinning counter-clockwise, that the idea it could be spinning in the opposite direction will seem impossible to you. But if you stare at it long enough, and intently enough, you can make it spin the other way. I've notice…

>We think it's the other side that's crazy, but we're all under the same spell. In this case, one side is provably crazy , and the evidence from our intelligence agencies shows they are dangerous lunatics. The other side wants empathy, equality, science, and truth to rule the day. I'm not sure how you can just hand-wave that away. Your comment is the same old "both sides" fallacy.

When you think like that, you've already lost.

Like, if you believe that all humans have rights and dignity, then you shouldn't be saying crap like that.

If you don't then how are you different from your enemies?

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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For an outsider non US guy looking at the democrat / republican debate seems like a debate between a IntelliJ dark mode and IntelliJ white mode both are a matter of taste but code is the same.

I‘m an „outsider non US“ guy and if you can’t spot the difference b/w Trump and really any normal politician, including Biden, you’re just ignorant.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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There's a famous optical illusion with a spinning silhouette of a dancer. When you look at it, you'll swear it's spinning in one direction -- say, counter-clockwise. In fact, you'll be so sure it's spinning counter-clockwise, that the idea it could be spinning in the opposite direction will seem impossible to you. But if you stare at it long enough, and intently enough, you can make it spin the other way. I've notice…

Growing up in a country where I was in the ethnic majority, I went through a period of right-wing political bent as a teenager. Then I came to the US, where I found myself in the minority and leaning left. So I feel that I have some personal insight into the mindset that pushes people right. But... maybe it’s that my past right-leaning self was a teenager with half-baked ideas about the world, when I reflect on what…

That's really strange because I agree with exactly everything that you said except swap Democrat for Republican I was a Democrat when I was young didn't care about anybody else now I'm a Republican and I have morals

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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Fact check: False. The election process is still ongoing, the media is simply saying Biden is their guess. Allegations of cheating will be investigated before we get the final result.

The media are saying "It is mathematically impossible for Trump to win without recounts" and in fact we can make a stronger statement - it is highly unlikely that Trump will win even with recounts given the margins. So far there is not one story of substantial fraud that looks plausible (let alone probable) and the two closest that I have found are a data entry error by a polling company (leading to "they suddenly found 100k Biden votes" posts all over the alt-right-o-sphere) and a postal worker in Michigan caught on the Canadian boarder with 1k postal items in his truck including three ballots.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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There's a famous optical illusion with a spinning silhouette of a dancer. When you look at it, you'll swear it's spinning in one direction -- say, counter-clockwise. In fact, you'll be so sure it's spinning counter-clockwise, that the idea it could be spinning in the opposite direction will seem impossible to you. But if you stare at it long enough, and intently enough, you can make it spin the other way. I've notice…

The difference is that with the spinning dancer optical illusion, there's never a "wrong" way to view it. This isn't always the case with politics, or any kind of view for that matter. It's important to empathize with people you disagree with, but it's just as important that we start with a foundation of agreed upon facts. In other words, reality isn't a point of view.

Have you ever dug into Bayesian reasoning? See E.T. Jayne's probability theory chapter 5 for an explanation on this.

The more facts we get, the more likely our views diverge and become more strongly held.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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As a european outsider I see big social media (Twitter, FB, Reddit etc.) as the loser here, no matter the president. - Dems already hated them because they were "complying" with the right/far right. Not enough removal, deplatforming etc. - Reps also hated them because of all the removal and deplatforming, "free speech" problems etc. Then HN replies with the "They are a private company so they can do whatever they wan…

You should add the 4 years of "Russian control over social media" narrative which has suddenly disappeared

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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The division was created by all the media (social included) manipulation of reality perception. I bet that in 2016 a much higher percentage of votes were against Hillary. In 2020 the "against" was very likely higher. Division will likely keep increasing as everybody's media feeds become more and more tailored to the individual looking at them

Worth also pointing out that 4 years ago that social media was implicated as being manipulated by Russians.

Seems like no foreign state interfered this time around, but the point was that the Democrats blamed division on social media on the Russians and that most of us have amnesia about that.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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OK, so the transition from Make America Great Again slogan to Make America Decent Again (and Better) reality is inevitable and welcome. It is easy to get overjoyed by results of the U.S. Presidential Election (and some celebration certainly is in order). Uniting the country is definitely a commendable goal, though it is easier said than done. The election results across all levels clearly illustrate just how divided…

Is there really any common ground? My experience talking to the other side during this administration is that they are completely unable and often unwilling to consider any argument or information that conflicts with their views. How do you debate with people who don't care about facts or reason? In addition their leadership appears to be completely unwilling to act and good faith and the rank in file appear unwillin…

No. “Common ground” is a false peace flag... a friendly sounding phrase meant to play on liberal preoccupation with “a fair system” If you’re unfamiliar with how conservatives do business, it’s worth investigating. Start here: https://youtu.be/MAbab8aP4_A

When you need to expand your knowledge beyond YouTube videos I’d recommend this book: https://www.amazon.com/Reactionary-Mind-Conservatism-Edmund-...

A conservative plea for “common ground” is very similar to a mind game explained here: https://youtu.be/YOqJ4sc9TAc

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