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YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by kauffj »

valtism wrote: post #683
kauffj wrote: post #190

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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by jiggytom »

yellowapple wrote: post #806
kauffj wrote: post #190

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Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #514
stcredzero wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fear there isn't "one truth" out there, despite the content providers' and fact-checkers' attempts :( The idea is: "We are the decent, good, people who know the truth. Now we control the platforms, so it's only well and good we control the information, and we tell the deplorable others what they can and can't say." Almost everyone in the history books as a horrible oppressor has told themselves that narrative. Many…

This is how all news media operated before the internet created mouthpieces for non-professionals. In addition to suppressing some inconvenient truths they filtered out crackpot ideas that have become a plague in modern times.

> In addition to suppressing some inconvenient truths they filtered out crackpot ideas that have become a plague in modern times.

Every idea starts out as some fringe crackpot idea relative to the status quo. Government recognized marriage of a same sex couple comes to mind as a recent example. Some ideas (e.g. "the general public should wear a mask in public to reduce the spread of coronavirus") make it from crazy to accepted faster than others.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by joshuamorton »

asdkjh345fd wrote: post #839
joshuamorton wrote: post #738

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> This policy will be aimed at exactly people like him. He has been contradicting the authorities all the way. What advice has he given that contradicts the WHO's guidance?

That masks work.

Where, specifically, do they say that masks are ineffective?

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by RonanTheGrey »

ZenPsycho wrote: post #768
RonanTheGrey wrote: post #767

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I think you missed my point. "EVERYONE IS GONNA DIE AHHHHHHHH!!!!!" is not a good basis on which to be making planetary policy.

welcome to the list of hacker news commenters I am extremely disappointed in then. I cannot logically argue you into caring about human life. though personally i don’t think conspiracy theory videos and slippery slope arguments are more important.

I'd argue you care about human life less than you think I do. Lockdowns are not about saving lives, you know that right? It's about making it take longer to kill who it is going to kill -- not overwhelming the hospitals.

It doesn't change the actual number of people killed by the virus, at all. That is to say, regardless of the shape of the curve, the area under the curve remains the same.

And economic depressions kill people too, in fact in far greater numbers than this virus has, yet. You don't seem to care about those lives either.

That's the problem with having a comfortable life. You don't see the consequences of your choices. I live in a place where I see people suffering and starving because they live hand to mouth and can no longer make the $2-$3 dollars a day it takes to keep them alive. They can't go out on the street to sell food. They can't make their few cents helping cars in and out of parking lots. They can't open their "shop" the size of a porta-potty in order to sell a few shirts. And when these conditions spread, crime and death spread with them. I've started to give away what food I can just to try to help whoever I can.

All the while, cozy HN commenters who earn $250,000 USD a year pontificating about whether we should shut off the entire planet for 18 months or more because it doesn't affect them one tiny little damn.

Nobody arguing for that point of view gives a shit about human life, they want control, plain and simple.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by RonanTheGrey »

joshuamorton wrote: post #780
RonanTheGrey wrote: post #752

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> Unfortunately platforms that reach billions must prioritize the danger of misinformation spreading No, they don't. See, this is the core problem, that premise: that's the job of governments. And in the US, the law says the government doesn't get to do that. Arguing that entities who are arguably more powerful than the government should be doing it is literally arguing for the dictionary definition of fascism.

Actually in the US it's explicitly not the job of government, hence the bill of rights. Individuals, and collections thereof, however, are free to censor whomever they want. This misguided idea that your protection from government censorship affects your contractual agreement with me needs to stop.

> Actually in the US it's explicitly not the job of government, hence the bill of rights.

You need to read my comment again.

In the US, it is NOBODY'S JOB.

> This misguided idea that your protection from government censorship affects your contractual agreement with me needs to stop.

Repeat after me: "I am not Google. I am not Google. I am not Google. I don't affect the lives of billions of people. I don't affect the lives of billions of people."

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by elliekelly »

vorpalhex wrote: post #890
cmeacham98 wrote: post #861

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This sort of weird slippery slope argument that banning obviously bad advice somehow leads to youtube becoming a "horrible oppressor" doesn't pass the smell test. By this reasoning, _any_ platform that features _any form of moderation at all_ will devolve into oppression. Is HN at risk of becoming oppressive due to banning flamebait and spam comments?

One of the youtube series I watch normally features pork ribs. Like, the shrinkwrapped package you get from the grocery store. Well that video the creator couldn't get pork ribs because of coronavirus and so had used beef ribs instead - and couldn't even plainly say the reason why. Instead he had to hold up a bottle of corona beer and say "Well, it's due to beer, if you get my drift." Is Youtube actually in the right…

Can you link a few of the videos you referenced?

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by asdkjh345fd »

joshuamorton wrote: post #944
asdkjh345fd wrote: post #839

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That masks work.

Where, specifically, do they say that masks are ineffective?

On their website and twitter and through press outlets like CNN:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/30/world/coronavirus-who-masks-r...

"There is no specific evidence to suggest that the wearing of masks by the mass population has any potential benefit."

That is completely and totally wrong. It is INSANE to suggest something so horrifyingly stupid and dangerous with a virus that has a two week asymptomatic, contagious incubation period. All the infected but don't know it yet people would lower the number of people they infect massively if they work masks. Every single country where mask wearing in public is the norm has a much lower fatality rate than every single country where it is not the norm.

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by jonny_eh »

camelite wrote: post #441
jonny_eh wrote: post #146

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A big hinderance to containing the Ebola epidemic in West Africa in 2014 was all the cancelled flights, since it prevented medical experts from getting to the impacted areas. While it seems counter-intuitive at first, travel bans do little to stop the spread (especially after it's reached other countries), but they do limit our ability to fight the pandemic. http://www.flanderstoday.eu/politics/white-house-praises-br…

Well this isn't the ebola epidemic of 2014 now is it? Rules that apply to countries with extremely deficient medical systs don't apply to the richest country in the world.

Where do you think most of our medical supplies come from?

Re: YouTube bans coronavirus-related content that directly contradicts WHO advice

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Post by glenstein »

jshevek wrote: post #936
Faark wrote: post #868

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Might has something to with it being easier to come up with new crackpot theories than announcing policy changes. Kind of like "then debunk the conspiracy" doesn't really work, since this requires a disproportional amount of effort. Society might be able to handle this additional effort in a "low noise" environment, but hardly when motivated actors got their foot in the door already.

Yes, I agree. My point in that comment was not to debate the merits of a general policy vs specific policy, but to dispell the idea that the general policy would only be used for the specific case of corona virus and 5G. It seems that you agree.

>only be used for the specific case of corona virus and 5G.

There's nothing in any of my comments that suggests the policy would only address the specific case of 5g.

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