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Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by saagarjha »

Nition wrote: post #649
rgovostes wrote: post #441

Like many here I prefer the (original) iPhone SE due to the small size. Rumors of the iPhone 12 say that there will be a smaller model with a 5.4" edge-to-edge screen. I wanted to see how the size of that device would compare to the SE. If we assume that the iPhone 12 would have the same aspect ratio as the iPhone 11, and that the "margins" between the edge of the device and the edge of the screen will be the same as…

They could fit a 5" screen on the SE form factor if it was edge-to-edge like the iPhone X, or keep the old SE 4" screen, make that edge-to-edge, and make the phone itself even smaller. Shown to scale: https://imgur.com/OKZiWrN I'm a bit disappointed but not surprised they took neither of those options for the new SE.

Of course, there’s no way they’re going to call it the iPhone SEX.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by skocznymroczny »

cmrdporcupine wrote: post #474
andrepd wrote: post #214

I was itching for this announcement, not because I want to buy an iPhone, but because this will finally mean other manufacturers will start to make compact phones. It drives me up the wall that I simply cannot find a reasonably competent phone (i.e. mid/upper range from the past 4 years) which is not absolutely fucking huge. It's insane that the "phablet" standard from ~5 years ago is now not even the new standard, b…

Mind boggling to me that 4.7" is compact? I miss smaller phones, for sure.

Compared to Android, where it's hard to get anything below 6.2" it's very compact.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by tim333 »

coldpie wrote: post #161

Yes. I'm an Android user who is absolutely sick of phablets. I have a Pixel 3A (5.6") and it is way, way too big. I've been quite excited about this iPhone SE announcement. However, the lack of a headphone jack is a huge negative, and 4.7" is the absolute largest I think is reasonable. A little smaller would've been ideal. I'm undecided on whether to switch to the SE, but I genuinely hope it sells like crazy. Then ma…

I'm a recent purchaser of a slightly used old iPhone SE and it's great really. Headphone socket, does all I want, fast and snappy in practice, only cost like £100/$130.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by saagarjha »

crazygringo wrote: post #794
shoes_for_thee wrote: post #705

Why tho? I have an old iPhone SE. It is small enough that I don't even notice it in my pocket. It does everything I want it to do very well and is actually very responsive. Also it is about $60 bucks on ebay. I have no compelling reason to switch.

I assume no more iOS updates are coming for the SE. Pretty soon your apps won't upgrade, and won't talk to the app servers, and you can't install new apps. So you don't have a compelling reason to switch now... but in a year or so you unfortunately will. It's what happened to me with my iPhone 5. :(

It might get iOS 14.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by saagarjha »

AgloeDreams wrote: post #466
doanerock wrote: post #244

Why does it have the same name as a previously released phone? That is so confusing. Why not iPhone SE2

Ask the iPad Pro. Or 13 inch MacBook Pro. or Airpods. You'll see it referred to by 'iPhone SE (2020)'

It’s actually “iPhone SE (2nd generation)”.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by FabHK »

camelNotation wrote: post #732
Razengan wrote: post #709

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And wow how I've missed Android, the UX is soooo much better in most aspects. iOS has its problems, but every time I have to handle somebody's Android (i.e. to help them do something faster than telling them), I want to give it back as quickly as possible.

I feel the same way when someone hands me an iPhone. In 2020, the operating systems are equally capable and refined, it's just a question of what you're used to. If you had a great Android phone for a few months, you'd probably be just as comfortable with it as you are an iPhone. When someone asks me what phone to buy, my answer is always "what phone do you have now?" because frankly, there is no reason to switch fro…

> In 2020, the operating systems are equally capable and refined, it's just a question of what you're used to.

I don’t think that’s true if you work with sensitive data or are just generally privacy conscious. iOS is then recommended over the OS from the advertising company (eg by tptacek and other experts here, if I’m not mistaken).

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by wodenokoto »

ksec wrote: post #854

1163 Comment right now, ~800 Are about Size of Devices. I thought there was another important point. The current entry level iPhone; iPhone SE 2020 with A13 is now faster in Single Threaded performance than ALL current shipping Android, including Flagship Android. And judging by the Qualcomm roadmap, this will likely remain the same in 2021 as well. This is important if you are doing or using Web Apps like Discourse…

> Japan, the nation which prefer single handed usage and small size Smartphone

Do you have a source for that, or do you just expect them to want small phones because of small hands?

The rest of Asia are the front runners of large smart phones, so I don't see the small hands thing being relevant to phone sizes.

To my recollection, phones have always been pretty big in Japan. When I first visited in 2006 I asked my Japanese friends why all the phones where so big, and they just said "It's fashionable, nobody wants a small phone", but I've never noticed a trend towards small devices, just more features and bling.

Moreover, given that Japan sees relatively little usage of computers, but historically has been extremely cellphone oriented, it actually makes sense that you want a large screen as your primary screen.

Lastly, I've noticed that young people on variety shows, when doing a gesture for "typing", swipes the air with their index finger over the palm of the imposing hand, suggesting that the primary mode of text-input is on (1) your phone, and (2) this is done with 2 hands. I don't think Japan has a special affection for one handed usage, at least not since they moved to touch screens.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by antpls »

WoodenChair wrote: post #895
antpls wrote: post #892

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The current entry level iPhone; iPhone SE 2020 with A13 is now faster in Single Threaded performance than ALL current shipping Android, including Flagship Android. I stopped to look at Single Thread performance long time ago when comparing phones. I now look for AI coprocessor performances, new sensor types and wireless charging performance

> I stopped to look at Single Thread performance long time ago when comparing phones. I now look for AI coprocessor performances, new sensor types and wireless charging performance The amount of daily time the average person spends doing tasks affected by single core performance versus the amount of time people spend doing AI related tasks or using exotic sensors makes you an outlier.

Do you have any source showing global apps usage to support your claims?

Just by guessing, I would say whatsapp/FB/instagram/Snapchat/youtube are the most browsed apps. All those apps use Neural Networks in the background, for text translation, automatic subtitles, picture and video filters, encoding, decoding, upscaling video, ...

Neural networks will run constantly in the background to analyze phone sensors data and adjust the device energy usage, infer location, etc

Even games will use them massively (see the RTX application from Nvdia)

A performant single threaded CPU can probably run those AI applications fine, but an AI coprocessor (or neural processor or DSP or whatever the marketing named it) runs those applications by using 10 times less energy (easily)

I recommend to everyone to take a look at http://ai-benchmark.com/ . The improvement in this domain is massive, like an order magnitude bigger over the last 2 years, to the contrary of CPU and single threaded performance

Edit : oh I also forgot mandatory usage of NN for facial recognition and pose recognition. Regarding sensor, the new radar in the Pixel cannot work without neural network : https://ai.googleblog.com/2020/03/soli-radar-based-perceptio...

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