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Despite its length, your comment is not in fact responsive to mine.
At least it provided some sources, than just bare assertions.
Who do you think you're kidding? [citation needed] isn't the closer you think it is.
Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
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Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
#942Earlier quoted context omitted.
> are you agreeing with _anything_ feminists are saying? Nope. Women are well respected in society and now have more opportunities than men. There are many successful women, and women don't need a message from men saying that the system is rigged against them and they will not make it if they try. When there are as many women taking computer science at university, and seeking work in the computer science industry, an…
"Feminism is the radical notion that women are people." Do you agree with this basic sentiment? (I don't mean the definition of feminism, but the part where women are people)
I don't think this is worthy of a response. Try again if you like.
Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
#943Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's Peter's speech at the National Press Club: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ob-LJqPQEJ4 Could you point out anywhere that Peter supports bigotry? Or even, a single crazy statement in Peter's speech? (I wouldn't defend Trump. I'm defending Peter, who I respect a lot). The speech runs from 2:40 to 15:50, and can be watched in 7 minutes if you change speed to 2x. (Thomas, I respect you a lot too. I've never seen o…
He supports a Presidency which built its campaign, to a large extent, on abject racism and outright sexism. A ticket whose VP supports electro-shocking gay teens to turn them straight. How, exactly, do you give such people $1.25 million and join their team without at least implicitly endorsing such views?
Love it. -4 and not a single reply. Pathetic.
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This is some amazing mental gymnastics here, wew. ""White people are racist, ignorant assholes, except for some of them."" ^^ I'm sure this comment will do well!
Fair enough, still more lenient than the average leftist view that omits the "except for some of them".
Sure buddy, sure.
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> how anyone could feel comfortable with him as commander in chief I understand what you are saying here. He struggles to speak eloquently, and does not have a statesman-like persona. He is no traditional president. But look at the last 15 years of foreign policy from "statesmen". We had two wars, Obama missed seeing the rise of ISIS, Syria is a humanitarian nightmare, we had a huge financial crash, and terrorism is…
> But look at the last 15 years of foreign policy from "statesmen". We had two wars, Obama missed seeing the rise of ISIS, Syria is a humanitarian nightmare, we had a huge financial crash, and terrorism is on the rise. There are factors in play here beyond the background of the US president; Global politics, foreign leaders, policies in other countries, civilian actions, etc. To say that the US president being a "sta…
> To say that the US president being a "statesman" caused all of those things is a massive leap in logic.
I am saying that "being a statesmen" doesn't always cause good foreign policy.
Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
#946I respect Thiel's loyalty to Trump. As people are hiding from Trump after the bus incident, he comes out writing a check and giving a speech about why trump is the right choice again knowing he will get crucify in the Valley. Hope he does well now considering his influence in the Valley.
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You're entitled to your personal preferences in where/how you like to live, but none of that changes the facts that: 1. Peter Thiel indeed wrote a book called 'the Diversity Myth' and 2. that book claims that multiculturalism exists to destroy white culture If you're going to argue that the above claim is a "lie", you are obliged to show where that lie is. Your only plausible avenue (as I can see it) is to somehow ob…
> 2. that book claims that multiculturalism exists to destroy white culture > If you're going to argue that the above claim is a "lie", you are obliged to show where that lie is. If you're going to claim that Thiel's book states that multiculturalism exists to destroy white culture, then aren't you obliged by your own logic to show proof of your claim? I don't have a horse in this race, but it's irritating to see you…
I didn't actually claim that Thiels book states the line in question, the claim was actually made by an earlier commenter, presumably based either (a) directly from the book itself or (b) from the phrase in this bloomberg article [1] that is indicated to as a direct quote from the book in question.
My point was, edblarey objecting "that is a lie!" and then decrying that multiculturalism is bad is nonsensical.
Is the lie that Thiel wrote the book? Its existence is a matter of public record. Does he instead mean that it is a lie that the book makes the claim that "multiculturalism exists to destroy western culture"? Did Bloomberg fabricate the quote? Or does the quote exist but when considered in context mean something different than Bloomberg claims?
All of these are certainly possibilities, but we can't hope to divine which one edblarney means because he spent his comment defending the multiculturalism-is-bad angle (irrelevant to whether Thiel made the claim in question) rather than point out how Thiels claim either does not exist, or does exist but has a different meaning in context.
[1] http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-21/the-strang...
Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
#948A huge issue today is the lack of calm, reasoned debate. As a Trump supporter I have never been able to properly explain the rationale to a liberal. I believe there is a worthy debate beneath all the political smear, but it is never reached. I believe the reason for this is the liberal media and the incredibly effective Democratic party election machine. The argument stays at the high level of "how could you vote for…
So, I'll try to respond as someone who voted in support of Johnson, and can get the appeal of Trump as well as the Clinton, as well as visceral hatred of either. I get that huge swaths of the electorate feel like this system hasn't been working, and that' it's all manipulated by career political insiders who have their own brand of benevolent authoritarianism. I get the distrust of a liberal culture that overvalues i…
> a broken electoral voting system
Would you really be saying this if Clinton lost the popular vote?
> calls for "reasoned debate" on the American right
We are not talking about discussion at a political level. This isn't about the GOP. The GOP hates Trump. Its at an interpersonal level. Person to person. Comment to comment.
Look at this thread as a case in point. You will see a perfect sample of the kind of discourse you get when you start talking with liberals. Plenty of accusations of sexism, racism, xenophobia. And I'm just a username on a forum. I could be a gay, female, muslim, illegal immigrant and I would still have been called these things. And also would be called out for betraying the liberal cause. :(
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How can you say that when there are numerous examples of assault and discrimination? From the very obvious assaults by frat boys to the fact that if a couple wants to have a child the woman is the one who is forced to take a career hit. I don't buy the retort that a woman should choose whether she wants to pursue a career in corporate law or to have a child, that consideration never enters the picture for a man. Just…
> numerous examples of assault and discrimination Yes there is no denying it that it happens. But its not a "rape culture" and is not as common as people make it out to be. A rape accusation will utterly destroy someones life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mattress_Performance_(Carry_Th... But yes there are the terrible instances that occur: https://www.buzzfeed.com/katiejmbaker/heres-the-powerful-let... > to the fac…
Your claim that a rape accusation will utterly ruin a person's life, right after Trump has become president-elect, is staggeringly imperceptive given that he has been accused of rape not once but thrice and had rape charges in pre-trial stages during his campaign!
Re: Peter Thiel To Join Trump Transition Team
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> Have you ever had explained the liberal rationale to you and did you understand it? My Medium daily update newsletter is full of feminist, progressive, black lives matter articles. I read all of them. I read all the comments on Reddit, and on HN. Everything is labelled as racism and misogynistic and full of vitriol. There is no priority on sound and valid argument. Its all about feelings. Maybe I live in a filter b…
The basic issue is people now a days are not using language properly. Its hard to accurately convey what you are actually trying to convey. When you are writing on some topic, its easy to read what you have just wrote and correct it if it came out wrong. But when you speak, unless you are speaking to a calm and patient crowd, if anything comes out wrong then that will be used against you to smear you. That is what ma…
Well said.
Obama is against political correctness.
> It’s not just sometimes folks who are mad that colleges are too liberal that have a problem. Sometimes there are folks on college campuses who are liberal, and maybe even agree with me on a bunch of issues, who sometimes aren’t listening to the other side, and that’s a problem too. I’ve heard some college campuses where they don’t want to have a guest speaker who is too conservative or they don’t want to read a book if it has language that is offensive to African-Americans or somehow sends a demeaning signal towards women. I gotta tell you, I don’t agree with that either. I don’t agree that you, when you become students at colleges, have to be coddled and protected from different points of view. I think you should be able to — anybody who comes to speak to you and you disagree with, you should have an argument with ‘em. But you shouldn’t silence them by saying, "You can’t come because I'm too sensitive to hear what you have to say." That’s not the way we learn either.
http://www.vox.com/2015/9/14/9326965/obama-political-correct...
This means that somewhere you have a white male SJW college student calling out a black president for betraying their cause.
The left has moved pretty-far-left if you ask me.