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Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by dijit »

bsimpson wrote: post #231
_doctor_love wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> insider perspective on this I do not work at MSFT but I don't feel that I need insider perspective to understand what's going on. GitHub is being managed the way other services get managed once they're bought by big companies. Initially fine, then starts to decline, then eventually craters. Everything becomes the numbers game. Microsoft, Oracle, VMware, CA (where software goes to die), Salesforce, the list goes on.…

I feel like MS went out of its way to make a point that GitHub and NPM would be independent orgs that no longer had to worry about making keep-the-lights-on money. It was positioned as a benevolent acquisition for the good of the development community. As so often happens, that didn't last long. Nest was originally independent. Didn't take long for it to merge with the Google Home brand. I'm sure there are countless…

> I feel like MS went out of its way to make a point that GitHub and NPM would be independent orgs that no longer had to worry about making keep-the-lights-on money. It was positioned as a benevolent acquisition for the good of the development community.

Sorry, why the hell would any company do this? Goodwill is measured by MBA's in pennies and they paid *billions*.

This is like that time Google acquired the .dev domain "to reserve it for developers" but then ended up selling it- like everyone said they would.

You have got to be absurdly naive to believe that Microsoft does altruistic things, if there's no direct (or indirect) business they're not doing it: they are famously not a charity.

They have to be the richest men on the planet, retire, and then they'll do some charity.. perhaps because they feel guilty about what they did on an island or something.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by bigbuppo »

cyberlurker wrote: post #723
shevy-java wrote: post #258

> Lately, I've been very publicly critical of GitHub. Well, he is not alone with that. Something isn't working - and Microsoft either does not realise it, or does not care. I think the microslop strategy consumed Microsoft internally; it seems unable to change trajectory now. It's like you are driving to a cliff, in a car but you are not the main driver. It's quite interesting to see though - people can now expect "w…

What does Gitlab need to do to be that competition?

It needs to have fewer features and cost more money.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by tardedmeme »

jzb wrote: post #752
ngrilly wrote: post #698

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I'm afraid this is a form of reversion to the mean. Successful startups are made of exceptional people: the founders, the initial investors, the first employees, the first clients. But when they get acquired by much larger companies, they are necessarily diluted in pool of people that are more "normal", less exceptional. This includes the customer base that is more "normal" as well. Slowly but surely, the extraordina…

“I'd like to know how to avoid it.” To paraphrase a popular quote from IBM: “Executives and MBAs can never be held accountable: therefore executives and MBAs must not be allowed to make decisions.” Slightly less flippant: The only way to stop this is to stop letting companies like MSFT gobble up smaller companies. That doesn’t seem likely in the near future, though. Once the Borg assimilate something, it’s just a mat…

The process is necessary for both sides. Acquisition by large companies is the primary way that people get rewarded for building good things. If you take it away, there won't be many startups left - all new developments will come from the big companies that can afford them, and only the types of developments those companies' managers want to make.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by dsiegel2275 »

I don't understand the point of writing and sharing this.

Don't want to use a service anymore? Fine, stop using it and move to something else. But why publish something that you knows for sure is just going to be bad press for another company and organization?

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by timcobb »

hbmmkhufcjn wrote: post #882
timcobb wrote: post #661

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Github is Microsoft, who even cares? How can ppl be so caught up in a brand name? Microsoft doesn't care about you, why do you care about Microsoft? Things always change, just move on when the time is right.

> Github is Microsoft > Microsoft doesn't care about you > why do you care about Microsoft? You answered your own question there, mate.

I didn't? What's the answer? Sentimentality? Inertia?

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by pcarolan »

mitchellh wrote: post #26

I know this is ridiculously dramatic, but its the truth: I actually cried writing this blog post (tears hit my keyboard, I'm embarrassed to say). Nobody should cry over a SaaS, of all things. But GitHub has meant so much more to me than that (all laid out in the post). I have an unhealthy relationship with it. Its given me so much and I'm so thankful for it. But, it's not what it used to be. I don't know. We've been…

Thanks for all your open source work. You changed the industry for the better. Are you thinking of building a Github competitor? I would find that very appealing.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by vadepaysa »

suryao wrote: post #666
vadepaysa wrote: post #589

What is confusing to me, is as a business I would happily pay GitHub for many many features that I pay others for. Maybe MS thinks its just a billion here, billion there, but isn't it so easy to capture these? 1. faster more configureable action runtimes so I can get faster builds 2. usable merge queues because the github one is a joke 3. some reasonable CI management and workflow debugging features

Founder of WarpBuild here: we provide faster runners (also cheaper), and have some niceties around debugging workflows like ssh-ing into them, observability etc.

Thank You, great product. Do you have something for merge queues?

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by vadepaysa »

JustSkyfall wrote: post #655
vadepaysa wrote: post #589

What is confusing to me, is as a business I would happily pay GitHub for many many features that I pay others for. Maybe MS thinks its just a billion here, billion there, but isn't it so easy to capture these? 1. faster more configureable action runtimes so I can get faster builds 2. usable merge queues because the github one is a joke 3. some reasonable CI management and workflow debugging features

re: #1, Blacksmith ( https://blacksmith.sh ) exists and it works pretty well!

Yes, I pay for blacksmith rn. Thank You for your response though.

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by cyberclimb »

dsiegel2275 wrote: post #934

I don't understand the point of writing and sharing this. Don't want to use a service anymore? Fine, stop using it and move to something else. But why publish something that you knows for sure is just going to be bad press for another company and organization?

Why share any opinion ever?

Re: Ghostty is leaving GitHub

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Post by mday27 »

tedivm wrote: post #8

It really has been remarkable watching GitHub just crumble as an organization. There's a lot of discussion about why: the switch from being independent to being part of Microsoft, having resources pushed to Copilot instead of core service, the organization structure itself, a reliance on vibe coding, etc etc. Regardless of the reason, it's undeniable that GitHub is facing some serious issues. The unofficial status pa…

wow, I knew it was bad but I was gaslighting myself a bit. 0 9's is crazy.
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