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Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Post by nazgulnarsil »

Zopieux wrote: post #572
nazgulnarsil wrote: post #488

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it never made sense to have devs all over the world doing the same task with tiny variation. Centralization was inevitable. LLMs might have been a step change but the trajectory was already set.

The exact opposite has started: every single developer with an LLM subscription now has 45 variations of any foundational tool and library, to cater to their weird use-case, because it was easier for the LLM to just modify it rather than adapting to it. Almost nobody upstreams such improvements (or they are too niche anyway). The ecosystem will be this way for a while, if not the new normal.

the previous normal lasted decades, this one will last a year.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Post by JackSlateur »

jredwards wrote: post #845
MoonZ wrote: post #531

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25 years of Python behind me, please let me tell you that hopefully you're wrong : we don't "need" uv :)

Need is definitely too strong a word, but I think we can agree that uv has so far been the best solution to a problem that plagued python development for a really long time.

https://nesbitt.io/2025/12/26/how-uv-got-so-fast.html

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Post by JackSlateur »

ddxv wrote: post #127

This is why I still like to setup projects and environments with my own `make` `venv` and `pip`.

Hopefully, you are writing PEP621-style pyproject.toml, yes ?

Then replacing uv with poetry or probably other thing is easy, because this is the standard packaging format

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Post by Smaug123 »

duskdozer wrote: post #928
rtpg wrote: post #670

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Poetry and friends are so bad that many people continued just using pip -r requirements.txt despite knowing about this other stuff Poetry having users isn’t the metric for success. pip having way less users is.

>people continued just using pip -r requirements.txt What exactly is the issue with this?

The requirements file isn't a lockfile: running that command at different times will give you different venvs.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Post by ernst_klim »

dahlia wrote: post #414

What strikes me most about this acquisition isn't the AI angle. It's the question of why so many open source tools get built by startup teams in the first place. I maintain an open source project funded by the Sovereign Tech Fund. Getting there wasn't easy: the application process is long, the amounts are modest compared to a VC round, and you have to build community trust before any of that becomes possible. But the…

I don't think government funded projects are any more secure. The political climate changes once in a few years and we had a lot of examples of previous decisions being scrapped. Limux in München was scrapped overnight, usaid was shut down in no time.

You get a little more stability for a lot of headache but nobody guarantees that in a few years political stance won't change drastically and the fund won't be cut or even closed.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Post by Chris2048 »

scuff3d wrote: post #575
deadbabe wrote: post #477

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Maybe consider something other than python.

Good luck with that. I haven't been successful at convincing anyone to move away from it. I'm so fucking sick of writing Python at work lol

What would you prefer to use?

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Post by saghm »

mcdonje wrote: post #780
saghm wrote: post #745

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There's a wide gap between the arguments "the open source model doesn't work" and "the open source model failed to produce anything as good as uv after a couple decades of python tooling churn". The latter is why people are understandably unsure of where things go from here.

Seems like you're responding to the wrong person. The person I replied to said the open source model doesn't work. Nobody said the thing in your second quote. I get the point you're making, but the way you introduced it isn't conducive to productive conversation.

I don't agree. If anything, I'd argue that the comments above were a lot less conducive to productive conversation than mine ("Would single maintainers of critical open source projects be a better situation?", "Are you not aware of foundations?", "But sure, the entire open source model doesn't work, lol").

The entire context of this subthread is whether or not the model that Astral was using was reasonable or not compared to an open source approach. From your initial comment, you've been touting alternatives, and the comment I responded to was giving specific examples of where you think the model worked. I don't think you've provided much evidence that there was a good alternative here, and when you're taking an opinionated stance, a productive conversation will sometimes involve people pointing out flaws they perceive in your arguments.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Post by scuff3d »

Chris2048 wrote: post #936
scuff3d wrote: post #575

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Good luck with that. I haven't been successful at convincing anyone to move away from it. I'm so fucking sick of writing Python at work lol

What would you prefer to use?

Just about anything, as long as it's statically typed.

The domain I work in is basically perfect for Go, so I've been pushing for that.

Re: Astral to Join OpenAI

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Post by scuff3d »

tomrod wrote: post #925
scuff3d wrote: post #575

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Good luck with that. I haven't been successful at convincing anyone to move away from it. I'm so fucking sick of writing Python at work lol

Why?

Because I hate dynamically typed languages for anything besides scripting and glue code.

Or are you asking why I haven't had success? Mostly because the people I work with are dead set that Python is perfect for everything. I had one guy argue it should be used for embedded work

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