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Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by wolvesechoes »

kaiwen1 wrote: post #839
nancyminusone wrote: post #458

Don't kid yourself - we closed this one with "Won't Fix" a while ago. "But what about ?" No. Full stop. We're not going to do it, and we're not even going to apologize for it either. All we can do now is prepare, not that I've seen a lot on this front either.

"But what about ?" That blank will not be filled in with today's technologies, but with technologies we cannot conceive of today and with an energy abundance that we can hardly imagine. Even in this apparently dire predicament, optimism is warranted.

No tech will fix it because, as all important problems, it is not a tech problem.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by bdangubic »

wolvesechoes wrote: post #931
kaiwen1 wrote: post #839

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"But what about ?" That blank will not be filled in with today's technologies, but with technologies we cannot conceive of today and with an energy abundance that we can hardly imagine. Even in this apparently dire predicament, optimism is warranted.

No tech will fix it because, as all important problems, it is not a tech problem.

tech has solved a lot of problems that weren’t tech problems

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by thrance »

yfw wrote: post #673
notarobot123 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically, those still unconvinced of the human influence on climate change seem to be the sort that would trust the basement randos more than they would reputable scientists

Theres a mistrust of government and the establishment. Not saying fringe is better but the behavior of govts, corruption and influence by rich donors doesn't help

Except the same people disbelieving in climate change hold a blind faith in Trump's administration, that is extremely corrupt and influenced by rich donors. This isn't skepticism, these people have just been completely ideologically captured by the oligarchy's propaganda.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by Ekaros »

fasterik wrote: post #843
Kiboneu wrote: post #813

Let’s not pretend anymore. The uncomfortable truth is that that people in affluent countries don’t want to change their lifestyle. Affluent countries are less affected by global warming than countries responsible for a fraction of global emissions. All the emissions from manufacturing follow suit.

It's not primarily a lifestyle issue, and the problem is no longer primarily developed countries. Per-capita carbon emissions in developed countries have decreased 30% in the past 20 years, and energy demand has remained relatively constant, in fact decreasing slightly in some places due to increases in efficiency. Meanwhile, developing countries like China and India are projected to account for 35-40% of total globa…

35-40% considering their population and Africa still not getting their people to same consumption level as west seems entirely reasonable.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by cbility »

timr wrote: post #901
bjourne wrote: post #894

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your summary of the article is wrong. The authors model temperature using time series over solar irradiance, volcanic activity, and southern oscillation. They calibrate that model using time series over global surface temperatures. This allows them to isolate and remove each of the three listed confounding factors. The resulting time series fits a super-linear curve -> accelerating global warming.

> Your summary of the article is wrong. The authors model temperature using time series over solar irradiance, volcanic activity, and southern oscillation. They calibrate that model using time series over global surface temperatures. This allows them to isolate and remove each of the three listed confounding factors. No, it isn’t. You’re just rephrasing what I said with more words: they attempted to adjust for three…

> You can't do it in a statistically valid way.

They use an established methodology (https://doi.org/10.1088/1748-95 9326/6/4/044022 - the methodology retains the average warming rate over the period since 1970 while smoothing fluctuations) to remove predictable temperature variations so they can isolate the effect they are trying to measure.

Just because they don't know exactly what past global temperatures would have been in the absence of El Niño doesn't mean it's statistically invalid to try and account for it.

Besides, temperature data to 2024 already shows accelerated warming with a confidence level that "exceeds 90% in two of the five data sets".

Add another year or two and it's likely we won't even need to smooth the curve to show accelerated warming at 95% confidence.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by wolvesechoes »

bdangubic wrote: post #932
wolvesechoes wrote: post #931

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No tech will fix it because, as all important problems, it is not a tech problem.

tech has solved a lot of problems that weren’t tech problems

Only because there was political will to use it.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by Ekaros »

standeven wrote: post #303

The main driver of this is human-produced CO2, and there are meaningful ways to reduce usage. -Switch to an electric vehicle -Migrate from gas appliances (range, furnace, water heater) to electric (induction, heat pumps) -If your power grid isn’t clean, add rooftop or balcony solar -Encourage friends and family to do the same

Live smaller. Look examples from cage living from say Hong Kong. You can survive in capsule. You should not really ask for more space.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by DeepSeaTortoise »

iLoveOncall wrote: post #897
yanhangyhy wrote: post #875

The 15th Five-Year Plan (2026-2030) outline draft has listed making new and significant progress in building a Beautiful China as one of its main objectives, with achieving the carbon peaking target on schedule being a crucial aspect of this goal. In 2020, China made a commitment to the world: to peak carbon dioxide emissions before 2030 and strive to achieve carbon neutrality before 2060. Last year, China announced…

China is already so much ahead in some aspects. I'm literally in the plane flying back from Shanghai right now, where cars have blue plates for petrol cars and green plates for electric ones. Easily 70% of the cars on the road are electric, and basically all of the scooters used for deliveries. The roads are so quiet it's sometimes dangerous because you don't hear the scooters come behind you. They'll undoubtedly be…

Isn't Shanghai a Tier 1 city? IMO it's not very representative of the whole country.

It's also not like China is an overachieving outlier, but western nations actively having been sabotaged by its leadership at least since 1990 and MUCH MUCH more so since occupy wallstreet.

FFS Germany is blowing up its nuclear powerplants on a never before seen record breaking schedule so that a potential successor government cant reactivate them.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by BoingBoomTschak »

rootusrootus wrote: post #389
notarobot123 wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically, those still unconvinced of the human influence on climate change seem to be the sort that would trust the basement randos more than they would reputable scientists

It's a culture thing, nobody on the right would ever be convinced by science, they will shop around until they find what they need to hear. My sister in law sent me a video and told me that she thought it was a really good explainer and had a lot of good facts and figures to support it. To humor her, I took a brief glance at it, and saw that it was produced by Dr. Shiva. I was thinking "no way, it can't be that Shiva…

Because "the left" would be willing to listen to scientific arguments attacking their pet issues, right? It's really not a left/right thing.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by bondarchuk »

alberto467 wrote: post #273
bondarchuk wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"People aren't willing to pay price increases" is interesting. Of course that's what they say when you ask them directly. Yet everyone is currently paying massive price increases as a result of covid-era money printing. I'm not saying you're wrong necessarily but what it shows it that it has been possible in very recent times that a collecive decision was made which increased general prices for everyone.

> that a collecive decision was made which increased general prices for everyone I think you're referring to inflation with that? I wouldn't necessarily say that inflation is the result of a "decision", certainly not a direct decision of any single person nor any collective group. Economies can move around in weird and unpredictable ways, and they are also quite intertwined at the global level making policy decisions…

Well, yes, but that is kind of the point. Even though there wasn't a referendum or anything, still in some sense a decision was made collectively.
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