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Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Re: Iran's Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is killed in Israeli strike, ending 36-year rule

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Post by aucisson_masque »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #257
aucisson_masque wrote: post #188

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That's your money that's being Squandered yet you have no say in the decision to wage this war, nor your representative.

There was an election in 2024.

So ? People didn't vote to spend billions on Israel wars.

Trump said he was against wars, that 2003 Irak war was a mistake, yet he's once again trying to make another country change government by dropping bombs on them.

Polls show that a majority of Americans are against that war.

What more do you want to understand that Americans didnt vote for it and are against it.

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Post by IOT_Apprentice »

rayiner wrote: post #922
Jensson wrote: post #290

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> I can't think of any time when bombing the shit out of a country and killing their leader has actually worked. Japan? Although their leader wasn't killed, but same logic. The more civilized a country is the easier it is to reform them into a good state, and Iran is a pretty civilized and structured nation, the dictatorship is the main issue. Most people in Iran want a democracy and are capable of running it, you ju…

Yes, this is an underrated point and why I’m holding out hope for a positive outcome. I’m convinced that, before the revolution, Iran was on the same trajectory as European monarchies that had become democracies. At that point, countries like Denmark had been democracies for less than 75 years.

And then France sent Khomeini back to Iran on a chartered Air France 747 & stifled that. France also built Dimona nuclear plant in Israel in 1963 and then tested multiple times nuclear weapons in Algeria from 1960-1966 in the Algerian Sahara & mountains & allowed Israel to observe these explosions.

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Post by aucisson_masque »

csmpltn wrote: post #200
aucisson_masque wrote: post #181

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You seem to forget that Irak instability was a big part of the reason why we got to deal with ISIS in the first place. I say that ISIS was worst than Saddam.

ISIS also broke out of countries like Syria, which nobody messed with until after their civil war and the ISIS takeover. Which is to say that the problem isn’t the Iraq war - but Islam. It’s literally called ISIS - and you blame the US for it?

Everything is linked, Syrian civil War didn't happen out of nowhere.

There was an environment of instability in middle east, some is inherent to these countries, but a big part is because another cointry came in 2003 and decided to make of Irak a failed country by bombing all their infrastructures.

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Post by somenameforme »

estearum wrote: post #787
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #751

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This Prophet believed/taught that school girls should be raped before they are executed for not wearing hats so that they can't get into heaven (believing God would judge a child for being raped). Should a believer/teacher of such things even be called a prophet? Old boy was straight trash with a horrific morality.

AFAICT nearly everyone who is called a "prophet" by anyone is horrible, no? Doesn't stop people from killing or dying in their name though.

I can't think of anybody, who has significant power, who isn't seen as horrible by somebody else, and often by quite a lot of somebody elses. With power people always end up trying to make the world a better place. The problem is one man's better place is another's dystopia.

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Post by snthpy »

thomassmith65 wrote: post #12

The Iranian diaspora around the world is celebrating. Here's the scene in Berlin: https://youtu.be/NSbx_0mtk80?si=MJ_Bfvx8gVd1P1mm They've waited a very long time for this moment!

In March 2020 l was glad about the oil price dropping to below $20, but very concerned about the state of the world.

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Post by nailer »

Cipater wrote: post #454

I work with and know a lot of Shia (non-Iranian) Muslims and listening to them talk about this assassination I'm convinced that the likelihood of attempted terror attacks against the US has increased significantly. The non-Iranian part is key. Millions of muslims around the world viewed the Iranian theocracy as the only power in the world fighting for Islam. They are devastated.

The fact that millions of muslims worshipped a terrorist is not sufficient justification to submit to terrorism.

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Post by nailer »

pydry wrote: post #585
Alex_L_Wood wrote: post #559

It’s so funny reading most comments here, knowing that they’d be celebrating and saying this is good if it was Netanyahu. But when it’s a maniacal islamist declaring his goal to be the destruction of US and Israel, it’s suddenly very nuanced.

Netanyahu committed genocide. The worst crime humanity can commit. It's not actually very funny how many people go very far out of their way to try and downplay that.

> Netanyahu committed genocide

No he didn’t, you made that up.

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Post by ignoramous »

thomassmith65 wrote: post #693
ignoramous wrote: post #400

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> want so badly for this to pan out for Iranians Badly? You seem a little obsessed. The few anti-regime Iranians (who live in Iran) I know do not want to get bombed into freedom & democracy. The Western hubris despite Iraq and Afghanistan is back in full force, I see.

I appreciate the time you took to reply to my comment, but life is too short to engage in this style of argument.

If you personally know Iranians (Persian, Azeri, Armenian, Kurds, Assyrian, Arab, Baloch, Tajik, Afghan etc) living in Iran or if you have connection with the land, that's fine. Otherwise, I find this kind of "obsession" a bit disturbing to the point of justifying actions of unhinged leaders in a very avoidable, unpopular, & potentially devastating war: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior

> life is too short

Imagine surviving in war zones.

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Post by Gud »

bonsai_spool wrote: post #561
throwaway2037 wrote: post #527

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> Iran is not like other countries in the region. Despite its shortcomings, it's a cohesive society. This is a weird comment. I would also describe Jordan, Oman, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia as cohesive societies.

> I would also describe Jordan, Oman, UAE, Bahrain, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia as cohesive societies. I don’t know much about the region; is it incorrect to say that the nations you listed (excepting Jordan) are collections of fiefdoms with a relatively weak central power? To OP’s point, that is not how I view Iran

That would only be nominally correct regarding UAE, which consists of seven emirates.

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Post by jonathanstrange »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #896
jonathanstrange wrote: post #499

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As an outside observer, I'd say it's by far not as bad as in Russia yet but they're heading towards a similar model. Due process has already been eroded, prosecution is more selective than ever, there are attempts to criminalize harmless minorities, a large government-controlled police force arrests anyone they want to (including journalists), government-critical press is bought, sued, and intimidated, Congress is he…

So they are not even comparable. > there are attempts to criminalize harmless minorities like what?

> So they are not even comparable.

What a bizarre comment when I just compared them.

>> there are attempts to criminalize harmless minorities

> like what?

Among other minorities, they're going very strongly against transgender people and support groups and try to criminalize them. They're obsessed with transgender people for some reason. For example, Executive Order 14168, Executive Order 14183, Executive Order 14187, Executive Order 14190, Executive Order 14201, and by offering cash bounties to the FBI for "...information leading to the identification and arrest of transgender activists promoting 'radical gender ideology'."[Wikipedia] Pam Bondi described such activists as "domestic terrorist groups."[ibid] There is also a large initiative by the Heritage Foundation to make the FBI classify transgender people in general as domestic terrorists and introduce a new classification they call "Transgender Ideology-Inspired Violence and Extremism" (TIVE).

Why they are so particularly violent against transgender people and so obsessed with that topic is a complex matter. I suppose their hatred for this tiny group is based on a mix of religious fanaticism, Elon Musk's direct influence on the US government, extremely insecure masculinity, the need of Fascism for inventing inner enemies (because it doesn't have any stringent ideology), and the fact that this group is so small and insignificant that they cannot possibly defend themselves - unlike the US gay community, who have a large lobby by now and include people like Peter Thiel.

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