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The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by andrepd »

papaver-somnamb wrote: post #328

I recall someone (name escapes me at the moment) defining WW3 as ignition in 5 flashpoints between belligerent groupings: - Eastern Africa esp. Sudan, which we all nearly universally ignore - Israel Iran - Russia and a neighbor which we know today is Ukraine - Pakistan Afghanistan India - China Taiwan Plus Plus Attributes that distinguish WW3 from previous world wars were IIRC: Contained conflagration, short targeted…

Am I the only reading this comment as a incoherent vague rambling? In kinder words: what is your point/thesis exactly?

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by Waterluvian »

I suspect the Venn diagram of those who: 1) are aggrieved that America covers the bulk of the cost of world policing and 2) believe that America has a natural right to unilaterally determine foreign regime change, overlap greatly.

I knew it was foolish, but I really was somewhat hopeful that the American regime’s stated doctrinal shift was true and they really were going to fuck right off from the world stage, even just a little. Naturally, we suffer the opposite.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by intalentive »

ivraatiems wrote: post #34

I was discussing this with a friend today. It just feels like there's no point to these actions. Not in the sense of "I don't ideologically agree with our decision to do this," but in the sense of, "I do not see how this accomplishes any ideological or practical goal." What are they trying for? Regime change in Iran? No more Iranian nuclear program? There barely was one before. Keeping Israel safe? It's been an open…

Iran is the main source of resistance in the region. Libya, Iraq, and Syria have been pacified. Egypt has been bought off. All the groups still fighting Israel (Hezbollah, Houthis, probably Hamas) have received significant Iranian support.

I believe the calculation is this is Israel’s last best window of opportunity to leverage the declining American empire with a compromised asset in the White House. The time to strike is now, since in 10 years US military power and US political will in support of Israel will likely be diminished.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by XorNot »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #819
papaver-somnamb wrote: post #328

I recall someone (name escapes me at the moment) defining WW3 as ignition in 5 flashpoints between belligerent groupings: - Eastern Africa esp. Sudan, which we all nearly universally ignore - Israel Iran - Russia and a neighbor which we know today is Ukraine - Pakistan Afghanistan India - China Taiwan Plus Plus Attributes that distinguish WW3 from previous world wars were IIRC: Contained conflagration, short targeted…

Another aspect of a WW3 is that people- pretty much ALL people everywhere- who have nothing to do with the war will find their lives threatened or completely changed by it. I'm less concerned about nuclear escalation than about biological escalation. It's quite hard to destroy the human world with nukes: you can only blow up big chunks of it, maybe take out enough power plants and supply chains to drop us into a mult…

> Whereas a year into a major war a kid in his/her basement can release something that is functionally the end of the human species.

Urgh. "No tests, no prototypes".

Imagine trying to write "Hello, World" but there's no programming language. The compilation cycle takes a week. And you can't actually control where the program runs. And also the storage device will be destroyed by light, air, and other programs on your computer if you don't handle it just right.

It is very very clear when people with no molecular biology experience start talking about biology, because it's clear you all have no idea what any part of the process looks like.

Even the vaunted DNA synthesis machines...only synthesize DNA. Which will be completely destroyed if you so much as breathe at it the wrong way (in fact don't breathe on it at all). And that's like step 2, because step 1 is "grow up a candidate organism in sterile conditions, isolate and characterize it".

That stupid longtermism movement is god damn obsessed with this concept, and it's stunning how clueless they are.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by lucketone »

csense wrote: post #899

Israel and the US told Iran "Don't try to develop nukes or else." Iran tried to develop nukes and got bombed. Then Iran tried to develop nukes again. PotUS told Iran "Don't shoot the protestors or else." Iran shot the protestors. Iran chose to FAFO; "Or else" has now arrived. I don't like Trump and based on past bad experiences I'm not sure it's wise for the US to start a war in the Middle East. I feel sorry for the…

Civilian applications require uranium at 3-20% enrichment.

Iran had 60% enriched uranium (hundreds of kilograms)

Weapons require 90%.

Not exactly there, but way past electricity generation.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by blahgeek »

QuantumAtom wrote: post #775

I don't understand. I was under the impression that this a tech site. Why is there so much politics on here? What is all the rage bait. Are these bots or people who have inject politics and rage bait into every single place. Whatever you think of the Israel/Palestine conflict, maybe there can be places or website where some of us just want tech articles and interests.

Same. And I don’t understand why you are being down ranked. The HN guideline specifically stated that political news are not welcome, yet, this is the post with most comments in the front page. I didn’t come to HN for this

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Post by mtoner23 »

rcbdev wrote: post #638
tlogan wrote: post #548

I hope this war will be short. And that the result will be Iran becoming a democracy that fully joins the global community. The Iranian people (Persians, Azerbaijanis, Kurds, and others), deserve better. It would benefit the entire world to see Iran integrated and engaged internationally.

> Fully joins the global community If by that you mean that Iran will become a toothless vassal state of the U.S.-Americans, then God forbid.

Does the us have any toothless vassal states?

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by yowayb »

papaver-somnamb wrote: post #328

I recall someone (name escapes me at the moment) defining WW3 as ignition in 5 flashpoints between belligerent groupings: - Eastern Africa esp. Sudan, which we all nearly universally ignore - Israel Iran - Russia and a neighbor which we know today is Ukraine - Pakistan Afghanistan India - China Taiwan Plus Plus Attributes that distinguish WW3 from previous world wars were IIRC: Contained conflagration, short targeted…

There has never been a moment in the known history of humanity without war going on somewhere in the world.

Re: The United States and Israel have launched a major attack on Iran

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Post by PessimalDecimal »

muzani wrote: post #916
jmward01 wrote: post #710

Ok. So we have just taken out all of Israel's foes with force. They are safe now right? We can stop supporting them militarily in every way now right? They no longer need any weapons, intelligence support, defense support, etc, right? If this is the right path to their long term safety then this must be true.

Pretty sure killing all the enemies just turns the rest of the world into enemies.

This is the gist of Israel's problem. Successful tactically, but no long term strategy. They're increasingly isolated. As Baby Boomer voters lose power in US, Israel's isolation will become more obvious.
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