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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by tovej »

selridge wrote: post #901
tovej wrote: post #886

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A full adder is literally one of the easier theoretical computer science concepts, and a sine approximation is a simple Maclaurin series. And yes, if you can't do a simple series expansion, you are not an engineer. You may be a developer, but not an engineer. These are both first or second year bachelors topics. Just because you're unable to work through simple math problems doesn't mean any semi-competent computer p…

Was it a good thing for anyone writing software which included those things to need to not only work out how they are on a blackboard but how they are on the real machine in question? And how they are on the next machine over? Do you yearn to return to that world? I suspect most people don't. It's not just knowing your own machine, but any machine the code could run on. It's also not just reaching for some 2nd year b…

I don't know what world you live in, but I still definitely need to know the approximation error of the methods I use.

sin(x) has one of the simplest Maclaurin series:

sin(x) = x - x^3/3! + x^5/5! - x^7/7! ...

For any partial sum of that series, the error is always strictly less than the absolute value of the next term in the series. The fact that this was your example of a "difficult" engineering problem is uh, embarrassing.

For good measure, I would of course fuzz any component involving numerical methods to ensure it stays within bounds. _As any competent engineer would_.

And I absolutely work things out on pen and paper or a white board before implementing them. How else would I verify designs? I'm sure you're aware that fixing bugs is cheapest in the design phase.

Are you living in an alternate reality where software quality does not matter? I'm still living in the world where engineers need to know what the fuck they're doing.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by dang »

colbyn wrote: post #720
dang wrote: post #714

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The personal attacks I saw were against different people, not just one. In a lot of cases it's just routine internet cynicism, which is always amplified against unusually successful or prominent people. There's also a lot of fear and anger about the AI tsunami these days, among certain user cohorts, and that's an amplifier as well. On HN, personal attacks aren't allowed regardless of who's being attacked, and comment…

Okay I see. Are people being attacked for engaging in AI research/dev irrespective of their character or other personal attributes?

The data supports that interpretation, among others.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by [deleted] »

infecto wrote: post #830
kristopolous wrote: post #816

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No it's not a new thing. Agents coding their own mcp servers I saw in the original demo of MCP when it was announced in 2024. The other thing is part of the plan&act mode paradigm that plandex also started in 2024. I'm not a cynic, I just follow the scene very closely. This stuff might be new to you, but it's not new. There's literally nothing that this thing is doing that I haven't been doing for a few years already…

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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by lwhi »

ErneX wrote: post #903
lwhi wrote: post #662

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It's because of the Mac Mini's unified memory architecture; which is ideal for inference.

The amount of ram available on a Mac Mini is not good enough for a decent open model for OpenClaw, everybody is using remote AI services on those.

You can get up 64GB of memory.

It's very difficult to get this much memory on a graphics card.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by kristopolous »

infecto wrote: post #887
javier123454321 wrote: post #863

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I mean, that's a quality of conversation that you can reliably expect in Hacker News.

No disagreement. It just feels like increasingly it’s getting more cynical. It’s probably the case with most online communities but it’s a shame to see it so much here now.

It's not cynical it's explanatory. Someone asked why it's successful and I restricted myself to making factual verifiable claims.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by project2501a »

throwaway13337 wrote: post #750
sleight42 wrote: post #732

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Yet the Claw is powered by an LLM provider whose underlying model may not align with your priorities? Do I understand that correctly?

That's right. And don't forget that the chips it runs on are manufactured by companies I might not agree with. Nor the mining companies that got the metal. Nor the energy company that powers it. The wonderful thing about markets that work is that you can swap things out without being under their boot. I worry about a LLM duopology. But as long as open weight models are nipping at their heels, it is the consumer that…

> The wonderful thing about markets that work is that you can swap things out without being under their boot.

This is an illusion. You literally describe Zizek's "Desert of the real": Billionaires own the illusion and you are telling me I get to pick from a selection of choices carefully curated and presented to me.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by project2501a »

deejaaymac wrote: post #904
paulryanrogers wrote: post #899

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Many consumers want things that are arguably harmful for everyone involved. Users asking Grok to generate a large amount of CSAM from kid pics on Twitter is but one example.

Just to clarify; you're comparing nuclear weapons to lines of code that generate text/images?

he is comparing the acquisition and utility of those two.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by bean469 »

davedx wrote: post #838
simonw wrote: post #292

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It's a new, dangerous and wildly popular shape of what I've in the past called a "personal digital assistant" - usually while writing about how hard it is to secure them from prompt injection attacks. The term is in the process of being defined right now, but I think the key characteristics may be: - Used by an individual. People have their own Claw (or Claws). - Has access to a terminal that lets it write code and r…

I spent a few days running openclaw on a VPS, and it was painful and frustrating: - no graphics subsystem makes things harder - VPS IP subnets are often blocked by default by numerous websites and WAFs - can't easily see what it's doing Running it on its own PC is definitely the golden path for the way it's architected.

> Running it on its own PC is definitely the golden path for the way it's architected.

Not really familiar with the architecture, but would it be possible to run it on a not so powerful laptop in a "client" mode, where it would query a LLM that is running on a more beefy desktop?

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Post by siva7 »

ekjhgkejhgk wrote: post #908
athrowaway3z wrote: post #907

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Easy set up + WhatsApp messages + wakes up regularly to make it feel more alive + larger memory (local fs) => non-dev fascination I think the issue you have is one of perspective. Reminds me of the Dropbox launch on HN where the top comment was something like: > Yes but why not just rsync?

> Reminds me of the Dropbox launch on HN where the top comment was something like: > > Yes but why not just rsync? Commenting on this comment is so out of date. Dropbox is an anti-user pile of shit, and rsync is way better.

finally in 2026 the why not rsync comment would even make to paul graham more sense than the dropbox pitch

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by johnfn »

mikkupikku wrote: post #813
johnfn wrote: post #660

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This is pretty obviously false? I get downvoted quite frequently on HN for posting comments that go against what people typically think. For instance, I find it quite difficult to discuss the productivity gains of AI because any comment I make saying that AI makes me more productive immediately gets downvotes. I am not making inflammatory comments - my comments with a similar tone about other things that boost my pro…

It's genuinely pathetic to care about downvotes. People downvote me all the time and you don't hear me crying about it. People disagreeing with you is simply the price you pay when you decide to have hot takes, and don't say you didn't understand this up front.

I'm here to have interesting conversations. Downvotes naturally inhibit that by pushing my comment out of sight. There is nothing "pathetic" about that.
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