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US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by squigz »

FatCat1979 wrote: post #893
squigz wrote: post #846

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Is it? Just because it's inappropriate for one age group at a school doesn't mean it's inappropriate for all age groups.

You can generally categorize the age groups present in a school by... looking at the grades served in the school. shocker.

I'm not entirely sure what this is supposed to mean. Like... yes? But my point was, a school may have a very wide range of age groups. A K-12 school will have students from ages ~4 to ~18. Even a regular primary school will have 7 year olds along with 14 year olds. Point being, a book that is inappropriate for the younger students at a school may not be for the older students; and I don't see why the older students shouldn't have access to those books.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by subpixel »

phyzix5761 wrote: post #820
subpixel wrote: post #728

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As a parent, I believe there is no book that should be banned from being used by a teacher for instruction. I have the responsibility of ensuring that the school my child attends employs teachers who I trust to make effective and age-appropriate curriculum decisions.

How do we ensure schools employ only teachers we trust? Whats the criteria and initial/review process? Also, teachers are human. They change views and opinions like the rest of us. What guarantees they don't break that trust?

I’m active in local government - that’s how you make sure the school board is strong and the superintendent is the best candidate. But also voting is effective.

But there are no guarantees - except that those who wish to ban access to books are never to be trusted.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by subpixel »

agensaequivocum wrote: post #764
subpixel wrote: post #728

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As a parent, I believe there is no book that should be banned from being used by a teacher for instruction. I have the responsibility of ensuring that the school my child attends employs teachers who I trust to make effective and age-appropriate curriculum decisions.

> I believe there is no book that should be banned from being used by a teacher for instruction This is an insane opinion. In the same way, I care about what movies, music, YouTube videos my children consume because they all can have a massive impact on a child's development.

When we talk about books in school we are talking about books from mainstream publishers, distributed by educational distributors, and purchased by career librarians.

There are zero such books that can be compared to the lot of things you are trying to compare them to.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by subpixel »

FatCat1979 wrote: post #905
martythemaniak wrote: post #766

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OP posted a super short 2 sentence post and yet you managed to take that out of context and twist it into the exact opposite of what they meant. Incredible. I don't think OP is the one with the insane opinions.

OP posted a comment that said they don't think there's anything off limit, which is the natural conclusion. Some things should not be shown to children. this should not be a controversial topic.

Find a book in a public school library that should not be shown to children, that’s so horrible it will warp minds.

Is it conceivable that some librarian went off their meds and put a pornographic manga title on the shelf? Yea. But what we are talking about are books that are selected by educators getting banned because they represent ideas that small minds are threatened by.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by subpixel »

Ajedi32 wrote: post #796
subpixel wrote: post #728

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As a parent, I believe there is no book that should be banned from being used by a teacher for instruction. I have the responsibility of ensuring that the school my child attends employs teachers who I trust to make effective and age-appropriate curriculum decisions.

So you're saying if a teacher decides to use a book in class that's wholly inappropriate for the age group they're teaching we should ban the teacher, not the book? I suppose that makes sense. But if the book in question is still available in the school library for any 7 year old to read or check out isn't that still a potential problem?

Books are already made available to different age groups in different ways. Libraries that serve different ages put different books on different shelves. There are books on shelves young kids can’t reach, and there are books behind the counter.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by beeflet »

mvc wrote: post #153
graemep wrote: post #60

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There is a lot more blocked than porn and neo-nazis. This will also allow access to sites that block access because of laws: Imgur is not accessible from the uk, nor are a lot of smaller US news sites. Ofcom are after 4 chan too.

Oh no! Not 4chan. How ever will we Europeans keep up with the latest theories about which celebrities are actually AI influencers.

If 4chan is unimportant, why is it being censored?

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by beeflet »

mesk wrote: post #451
Manuel_D wrote: post #430

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Those book "bans" are just librarians' decision on what to use finite shelf space to stock. Students are 100% free to bring any of the "banned" books to school and read them. By this logic, when a librarian changes out an older set of YA novels with a newer set, those older novels are being "banned". So to answer your question: > Cool, so the US students will be able to read school banned books ? The answer is "whene…

Sure, librarians wouldn't know how to do they work, if they didn't get a list on 'not approved' books from the school boards. /s It's something else if something can't be bought or placed on the shelf because its on some school provided list, and if you (librarian) decide you don't buy it because of (whatever reason). The same with research, if something is not published, or funding on research is stopped because `we…

getting your paper in a research publication or your book in a library is a question about the allocation of public funds

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by intended »

FatCat1979 wrote: post #907
intended wrote: post #618

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I think nations should add content moderation as part of mandatory volunteer duties. The online commons and tasks are too complex and absurd, and we have many people who value speech, who would be the ideal people to take on these tasks. Putting their values into action so to speak. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, so the moment people volunteer for this, they will themselves see whether the claims of misinformatio…

The last thing the world needs is a state mandated hoarde of european reddit moderators plaguing the internet. no thanks.

Come now - why should it just be self selected volunteers or outsourced workers.

Even now on HN we are lucky with who moderates it but this should be more commmon.

And Mandatory service for your own nation. How else will you have a citizenry who can be plugged into their information economy.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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dfee wrote: post #234

at one point, HN was anti-censorship. this discussion shows how ideologically aligned this concept has become. there are volleys back and forth of "what censorship" followed by links to wikipedia enumerating it. RT and Joe Rogan are thrown in the mix. when did this experiment fail?

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