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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Well, there is evidence that this company made and distributed CSAM and pornographic deepfakes to make a profit. There is no evidence lacking there for the investigators. So the question becomes if it was done knowingly or recklessly, hence a police raid for evidence. See also [0] for a legal discussion in the German context. [0] https://arxiv.org/html/2601.03788v1

> Well, there is evidence that this company made and distributed CSAM I think one big issue with this statement – "CSAM" lacks a precise legal definition; the precise legal term(s) vary from country to country, with differing definitions. While sexual imagery of real minors is highly illegal everywhere, there's a whole lot of other material – textual stories, drawings, animation, AI-generated images of nonexistent mi…

> And I think this is part of the issue – xAI's executives are likely focused on compliance with US law on these topics, less concerned with complying with non-US law

True, but outright child porn is illegal everywhere (as you said) and the borderline legal stuff is something most of your audience is quite happy to have removed. I cannot imagine you are going to get a lot of complaints if you remove AI generated sexual images of minors, for example so it seems reasonable to play it safe.

> That's less of an issue for Anthropic/Google/OpenAI, since their executives don't have the same "anything that's legal" attitude which xAI often has.

This is also common, but it is irritating too as it means the rest of the world is stuck with silly American attitudes about things like nudity and alcohol - for example Youtube videos blurring out bits of Greek statues because they are scared of being demonetised. These are things people take kids to see in museums!

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Sounds awesome, when do we start?

Could not possibly agree more. When did we accept, "Users are doing the scamming, not the company" as an excuse? If it's your platform, you should be held responsible for all the illegal actions that it enabled. If a magazine published a page with a scam, they're responsible. Same should apply to social media. I literally don't care if it puts them out of business because the moderation would be too severe.

> When did we accept, "Users are doing the scamming, not the company" as an excuse?

Section 230. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230

As always, Washington doing the hard work of making sure corpos never need to fix anything, ever.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Trump kidnapped Maduro to show the latter his place, but then the US is neither China nor Western Europe so that does not count.

Arrested and the vast majority of Venezuela love that it happened. https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/venezuela-survey-trump-ma...

The vast majority of France doesn't like Musk or the nonces that use GROK so let's not go there it's mob rule...

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Until the EU gets their act together on free speech, it's high time the united states hits them with aggressive economic sanctions.

Settings aside this is about CSAM, the US is the only one of the two to shut down a foreign social network because it dislikes what was said on it. The US doesn't get to play that card anymore.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Do you think that data is stored at the office? Where do you think the data is stored? The janitors closet?

My computer has a copy of all the source code I work on

Can your computer hold a database with trillions of tweets and sensitive user information? FFS

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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E.U is replacing their citizens with unvetted violent criminals. They have to vote for whoever gives them free stuff. The powers doing this are upset a company in the U.S allows their citizens to protest it.

Read that on X?

Do you honestly not believe it is likely that EU is importing votes?

Also, haven't you seen the general push towards censorship, attempts to ban VPNs, and all the other shenanigans happening in the EU? Do you believe this is disconnected from the legal attempts on Twitter and Telegram?

Is it really a conspiracy theory at this point? Politicians do all kinds of evil shit, but these playbook tactics are where you draw the line?

I'm European and live here, before you say I'm getting these takes on X.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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> what do they hope to find in a raid of the french offices, a folder labeled "Grok's CSAM Plan"? You would be _amazed_ at the things that people commit to email and similar. Here's a Facebook one (leaked, not extracted by authorities): https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/meta-ai-...

I mean, the example you link is probably an engineer doing their job of signalling to hierarchy that something went deeply wrong. Of course, the lack of action of Facebook afterwards is a proof that they did not care, but not as much as a smoking gun. A smoking gun would be, for instance, Facebook observing that most of their ads are scam, that the cost of fixing this exceeds by far "the cost of any regulatory settle…

>I mean, the example you link is probably an engineer doing their job of signalling to hierarchy that something went deeply wrong.

and? is that not evidence?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Could not possibly agree more. When did we accept, "Users are doing the scamming, not the company" as an excuse? If it's your platform, you should be held responsible for all the illegal actions that it enabled. If a magazine published a page with a scam, they're responsible. Same should apply to social media. I literally don't care if it puts them out of business because the moderation would be too severe.

> When did we accept, "Users are doing the scamming, not the company" as an excuse? Section 230. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230 As always, Washington doing the hard work of making sure corpos never need to fix anything, ever.

A sincere thank you, for providing me with the exact section of law that I disagree with.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

#939

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Read that on X?

Do you honestly not believe it is likely that EU is importing votes? Also, haven't you seen the general push towards censorship, attempts to ban VPNs, and all the other shenanigans happening in the EU? Do you believe this is disconnected from the legal attempts on Twitter and Telegram? Is it really a conspiracy theory at this point? Politicians do all kinds of evil shit, but these playbook tactics are where you draw…

+1 from an European, it's beyond obvious and I don't understand why people are letting {politics, mainstream media painting of X} shape their belief on these extremely pressing and important issues.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

#940
post #690

Good old HN. Users losing their collective minds over rule of law and CSAM being bad.

Found the guy who supports digital ID and involuntary phone database scanning

HN is capable of a better discussion without personal attacks.
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