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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by thrance »

nailer wrote: post #886
thrance wrote: post #482

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You saw the videos, the guy only had a phone in hand, he got tear gased, pinned to the ground, and then they unloaded their guns on him. Stop lying about what you saw, or we'll start to believe you're actually pro-murder.

Phone was in his right hand (our left) and gun was holstered near his other hand. The gun went off into the ground as P320s are known to do when they removed it from him and officers reacted.

It's fascinating how Trump voters are able to reshape their reality to fit the Party's official line. All these years I thought Orwell was exaggerating...

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by cauch »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #921
cauch wrote: post #483

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I'm saying that the majority of the people supporting the crackdown don't care about the fact that the crackdown may break the law. Which is demonstrated by the fact that these people totally don't care of what is the number of innocents deported. You can see these people saying "we should deport the illegals", but how often you can see them saying "but I also want to know the number of innocent deported, and if this…

> I'm saying that the majority of the people supporting the crackdown don't care about the fact that the crackdown may break the law. Which is demonstrated by the fact that these people totally don't care of what is the number of innocents deported. You can see these people saying "we should deport the illegals", but how often you can see them saying "but I also want to know the number of innocent deported, and if th…

Ok. First, the people who oppose don't justify everything with "apply the law". They in large majority are consistent and honest and explain that cracking down without respecting basic right is disproportionate and that you need to have a good balance. The large majority agree with the existence of law and agree that just ignoring illegals does not make any sense (they may propose better process to avoid that they end up being illegal in the first place, but also better process to treat illegals, in which case, they are literally proposing solution in which breaking the law is punished, just not by using violence and recklessness).

But again, this is a false dichotomy. You are pretending that the only way to stop breaking the law is by accepting an incompetent organisation (ICE) to act as bullies without having to answer for their actions (while I'm not sure if the people involved in the recent killing will be punished or not, plenty of unjustified violence happened without any consequences for the perpetrators). They are incompetent: they keep making stupid mistake, saying things that appear to be obviously wrong as soon as we see the footage, ...

If you really want "applying the law", why are you not contesting ICE for not being able to arrest illegals while not breaking the law themselves in situation where breaking the law is totally useless (and don't tell me it is not useless: cops and local authorities managed to do the same without creating the mess that ICE has created).

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by asksomeoneelse »

mrguyorama wrote: post #896
asksomeoneelse wrote: post #870

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Color me unconvinced. Google can't even figure what language I speak even though I voluntarily provide them the information in several different ways. I can't understand half the ads they serve me.

Google doesn't choose what ad to show you. Google serves up a platter of details and auctions the ad placement off to the highest bidder. That platter of details is not shown to you, the consumer. What you are experiencing is that your ad profile isn't valuable to most bidders, ie you don't buy stuff as much as other people do, or your ad profile is somehow super attractive to stupid companies that suck at running ad…

It's not just the ads though. Am I to think that Youtube helpfully replacing a video title (whose original text I understand) by a half-assed translation into a language that I don't speak is actually Alphabet playing 5D chess ? If so, hats off to you, Google. I totally fell for it.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by FireBeyond »

red-iron-pine wrote: post #837
KennyBlanken wrote: post #566

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Thiel lost his shit because Gawker mentioned he was gay in an article on their site. Something _everybody_ in Silicon Valley already knew. Then he goes and forms what essentially amounts to a private CIA. How about Musk? He felt he had a right to hoover up data about people from every government agency, but throws a massive temper-tantrum when people publish where his private jet is flying using publicly available da…

i hate defending thiel since hes literally destroying society, but he didn't get mad at gawker just for outing him he got mad at gawker for deliberately outing him right as he went to meet the saudis for negotiations. a country that literally executes gay people. at best it strained the negotiations and made things awkward, and at worst could have put him in peril. you dont just out people without their consent, and…

Maybe his social media profiles at the time (public, because I'm not "friends" with him) shouldn't have included photos and posts about gay cruise ship vacations.

Or perhaps don't do business with people who would happily execute you? All that says to me is Thiel values money over anything else.

The insinuation that Gawker in any way shape or form "outed" him is just laughable.

Gawker is absolutely trash media, to be quite clear.

> and that goes for rich or poor

I do agree about this, for certain things - but in others, no - and indeed, courts have ruled that billionaires are inherently "public figures"... "due to their outsized influence on public affairs and opinion".

I also have significant issues with his bankrolling of Hogan's lawsuit against Gawker as an abomination of the legal system, including the right to face one's "accuser":

- Hogan had already agreed in principle to a part ownership stake and profits of Gawker.

- Lawyers paid for by Thiel pushed for him to drop that and push instead for bankrupting Gawker through damages (which were laughable, see below). (Hypothetical question, if you're an attorney, ostensibly representing Hogan, but you know the person paying your bills, Thiel, wants a different outcome for the case, when push comes to shove, whose interests are you going to represent? See the following point too).

- When the case and awarded damages -did- actually threaten to bankrupt Gawker, Thiel/Hogan's lawyers did the most illogical thing possible, if they were looking to recoup any money for their ostensible client... they dropped the one claim against Gawker that would have allowed their liability insurance to at least partially pay out.

(Re damages: The amount that Hogan had originally asked for seemed reasonable. Then after Thiel's lawyers got involved, the amount asked for was multiplied five thousand times.

This included economic damages of fifty million dollars. For a man who had made something in the order of $10-15M his entire career? Who had a net worth at its peak of $30M, and at the time of the lawsuit of $8M? I highly doubt that TV stations pulling reruns of old WWF events, lost hair commercial and other endorsements was worth that. (They separately asked for emotional damages, too, to be clear. But there was near zero justification for this economic damages claim.)

I wonder how much Thiel paid Hogan under the table for this proxy lawsuit?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by FireBeyond »

Bluescreenbuddy wrote: post #864
red-iron-pine wrote: post #837

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i hate defending thiel since hes literally destroying society, but he didn't get mad at gawker just for outing him he got mad at gawker for deliberately outing him right as he went to meet the saudis for negotiations. a country that literally executes gay people. at best it strained the negotiations and made things awkward, and at worst could have put him in peril. you dont just out people without their consent, and…

"you dont just out people without their consent, and that goes for rich or poor." Nah fuck him. If you're closeted and funding anti-queer causes and politicians you deserve to be outed.

He wasn't even closeted - there were pictures all over his public social media of him shirtless on gay cruise ships. Hardly on the DL.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by FireBeyond »

lovich wrote: post #725
zugi wrote: post #523

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Yes, that was egregious and well-publicized. I've seen another case of a small-town sheriff arresting someone for a Facebook post that absolutely was not a threat of violence. Both were released and I believe the latter won a lawsuit for wrongful arrest. But in general in the US "offending" others is not a legal basis for arrest, as much as some in power would like it to be.

If the sheriff who arrested this person has zero personal consequences that make him change his behavior, then it is de facto legal for them to arrest you for your speech. They can do what they like, and your compensation if the courts think you were harmed, comes out of your own pocket as a taxpayer. Show me the incentives and I’ll show you the outcome. The incentive here is that someone the government don’t like go…

> If the sheriff who arrested this person has zero personal consequences that make him change his behavior, then it is de facto legal for them to arrest you for your speech.

Yeah, in my state, the Sheriff of my County is beefing with the next County's Sheriff, because among other things, that Sheriff's perspective on "is it legal" was literally, and I quote, not paraphrase. "Make the arrest. If it's wrong, the courts can figure it out." Great, slap people with the arrest, the inconvenience of being jailed, charged, and having to hire a lawyer because you don't give a fuck about doing your job. Not coincidentally, same Sheriff is openly inviting ICE to the towns in his county saying his Department will provide additional protective cover.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by FireBeyond »

charcircuit wrote: post #686
cthalupa wrote: post #617

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> This type of thinking is what is leading to the destruction of order there. Yes, we are seeing a destruction of order in MN. US citizens being terrorized by ICE and CBP agents with 47 days of training, no understanding of the legal limits of their authority, and no consequences when they go beyond those limits. But that's not being caused by people pushing back against the beginnings of autocracy. That's being caus…

ICE is bringing order to the country as they are law enforcement.

Then why would the head of DHS offer to the state governor to pull them out of the state if Minnesota turned over its state electoral and other records to Trump's administration, in defiance of court orders and laws prohibiting it?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by ambicapter »

RickJWagner wrote: post #516
ambicapter wrote: post #282

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Link?

Here are a few. https://www.congress.gov/119/meeting/house/118565/documents/... https://www.forbes.com/sites/steveforbes/2025/09/09/people-a... https://winslowlawyers.com/uk-man-arrested-for-malicious-com...

These are ALL about the UK, including the “congress.gov” link.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by nobody9999 »

JuniperMesos wrote: post #914
smsm42 wrote: post #701

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> EFF claims that some states enroll illegal immigrants in Medicaid Actually they don't. They say "Some states, using their own funds, allow enrollment by non-citizens" - but they never say if it's legal residents or illegal immigrants. I am not sure whether it's part of the ongoing attempt to blur the line between legal and illegal immigrants, or all the states that allow that genuinely do not distinguish between le…

> Actually they don't. They say "Some states, using their own funds, allow enrollment by non-citizens" - but they never say if it's legal residents or illegal immigrants. I am not sure whether it's part of the ongoing attempt to blur the line between legal and illegal immigrants, or all the states that allow that genuinely do not distinguish between legal residents and illegal immigrants, but we can not assume it by…

>If a state bureaucracy doesn't explicitly check for legal immigration status then yes the policymakers in that state are trying to blur the line between legal and illegal immigration.

When it comes to healthcare, many states don't care if you're a tourist or a resident or a one-eyed, one-eared, horned purple-people eater. They (because their constituents -- you know, the folks who pay for this -- believe people shouldn't be dying in the streets because they can't afford basic care, regardless of who they are/where they came from) provide healthcare to anyone who needs it because it's the compassionate, humane thing to do.

That some states do not do so says a lot about the folks who run and live in those states -- partly that they have little empathy for their fellow human beings. Which seems weird, given that many of those states have "leaders" and vocal residents who claim to be Christian, yet they are unwilling to engage in the very things that Jesus Christ prescribes[0][1][2] that they do.

I'm glad I'm not a Christian. If I were, I don't think I could abide such evil, selfishness and hypocrisy.

[0] https://www.borgenmagazine.com/9-quotes-from-jesus-on-why-we...

[1] https://jesusleadershiptraining.com/charity-what-did-jesus-s...

[2] https://christ.org/blogs/questions-answers/what-did-jesus-te...

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by josephcsible »

cthalupa wrote: post #663
josephcsible wrote: post #495

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> FWIW, people here illegally are already not eligible for Medicaid, [0] so it's hard to see why ICE having access to a roster of Medicaid enrollees would help them with their stated mission of enforcing removal orders. Presumably, it's because a lot of them are getting Medicaid despite not being eligible to. Isn't the point of every audit, investigation, etc. to find things that aren't being done correctly?

> Presumably, it's because a lot of them are getting Medicaid despite not being eligible to Why are you presuming this? There is no evidence this is happening in any widespread fashion. > Isn't the point of every audit, investigation, etc. to find things that aren't being done correctly? If it is being honest about it's intention, yes. I think we have seen an absolute mountain of evidence that this administration doe…

> There is no evidence this is happening in any widespread fashion.

Isn't the point of this data so that they can uncover exactly that? It'd be silly to say you're not allowed to look for evidence of anything unless you already have evidence of it. Also, the qualifier "in any widespread fashion" is weasel words. It makes me think you already know it is happening, and the only remaining question is to what scale.

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