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The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by mastazi »

iLemming wrote: post #185
signal11 wrote: post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

One of the most annoying things after installing Tahoe for me, that for no good reason an ordinary app would randomly lose its focus. In the midst of my typing. This is unbelievably preposterous and I just can't stop hating Apple for this crap. How the fuck this is acceptable? I just have no words. What makes it even worse that I couldn't even complain about it on their support pages - they just keep removing my comm…

I had the same issue, and in my case it turned out it was caused by Logitech G Hub which was running in the background. I uninstalled it and did not experience the issue again. My suggestion is to check any background process that might be doing that.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by godelski »

billti wrote: post #916
godelski wrote: post #689

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My phone updated on me and yesterday it took me 10 minutes to figure out how to listen to my voice mail. Like seriously, how do we go from clicking on the name calling to clicking on the name to see the voicemail left by that specific caller and no others

This is the most disappointing aspect of the slide in quality for me. I working in software and "build features" for a living, and over the years I've come to prioritize reliability, performance, and an intuitive experience over all else. No matter how good the feature set is, if it crashes, is painfully slow, or I can't figure out how to use it, then I don't want it. Apple used to have that focus, but seems to have…

Apple definitely had that focus under Jobs but people now are all too happy to tell you you're holding it wrong and I think Apple internalized this mentality.

But I find iOS 26 absolutely disrespectful. It wants you to use it in ways that previous iOS versions pushed you away from. It's an anti pattern to previous versions. I'm sorry, if you teach users one pattern don't update to have them do the opposite. Nothing is could be less intuitive

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by technofiend »

fzeindl wrote: post #592
iLemming wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the most annoying things after installing Tahoe for me, that for no good reason an ordinary app would randomly lose its focus. In the midst of my typing. This is unbelievably preposterous and I just can't stop hating Apple for this crap. How the fuck this is acceptable? I just have no words. What makes it even worse that I couldn't even complain about it on their support pages - they just keep removing my comm…

That is incidentally one of the many papercuts that are widely accepted in Windows, but never were a problem on a mac. Don’t try to interact with a windows desktop while it is still booting up. Better to wait for everything to settle down, otherwise apps will constantly snatch away focus and your typing will go into random applications.

I've been beefing about this for decades; X Window didn't do this by default and you could adjust window manager behavior however you liked to prevent windows stealing focus in X, even for newly realized windows. Microsoft Windows decided for some reason the newest window gets focus, which is annoying as heck. I really don't want my attention involuntarily switched because my window manager things it knows better than I do where I should be looking.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by zahlman »

AkelaA wrote: post #76
Lammy wrote: post #43

Compare to Aqua and Platinum where every resizable window/pane had a big square drag target clearly labeled as such with some diagonal lines: https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/system/managers/filema... https://guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/system/managers/filema...

It also - as seen in that screenshot, had large, always visible scrollbars where it was easy to see how far down you were in a folder or document, and could easily click and drag to scroll to where you needed. Now in the service of minimalism we have scrollbars that consist of a thin, semi-transparent line that fades out after half a second and is nearly impossible to click and drag due to how small it is.

> Now in the service of minimalism we have scrollbars that consist of a thin, semi-transparent line that fades out after half a second and is nearly impossible to click and drag due to how small it is.

This is endemic now. Cinnamon does it by default and I hate it. I only managed a partial fix, and then I had to do more work per-app (especially Firefox) to make them behave.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by notShabu »

This is the sort of thing that apple (used to?) take pride in doing well. e.g. new hires in orientation would be asked if there was anything 'special' about their offer letter and it was a thicker more premium kind of paper. Emphasizing the magical 'feel' that differentiated apple products.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by VerifiedReports »

VerifiedReports wrote: post #319
jojule wrote: post #251

When resizing, I expect to drag from the edge of a window. This is exactly how it works in macOS Tahoe, with a sufficient drag zone on the both sides. The only "strangeness" is that the drag zone extends further outside the window in the corner zone. IMO this is nice. All that said, I REALLY would love to have a hotkey combo I can beep pressed down to resize anywhere over the window. Just like in many Unix/Linux wind…

And yet Mac OS didn't support resizing from edges, or any corner of the window except the lower-right ONE, until well into the 2000s. Incredibly dumb.

Yes, downvote facts.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by userbinator »

layer8 wrote: post #113
signal11 wrote: post #9

Tahoe is a macOS mis-step on par with Windows 8 or Windows Vista. If you’re from Apple and reading this, my feedback is pretty succinct: “I don’t recommend others upgrade. I wish I didn’t.” Luckily for Apple, Windows 11 is not exactly in a position to attract switchers. Let’s see if Apple can turn things around. iOS 8+ did improve on iOS 7’s worst bits.

At least on Windows 11 it’s possible to disable the rounded corners.

It's also for a rather unbelievable reason --- if your GPU is not "powerful enough", you don't get rounded corners by default.

You read that right: apparently rounded corners are so resource-intensive that if you don't have or disable GPU acceleration, they'll disappear.

As much as I absolutely hate rounded corners in general, it's astonishing the apparent inefficiency with which MS have implemented them. Then again, mediocrity seems to be par for the course with their developers: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28743687

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by lloeki »

drob518 wrote: post #227
kristopolous wrote: post #51

I swear, this reign of visual artists as dictators has to stop. I'm sure people noticed this issue internally and brought it up but some thing by some designer was seen as biblically sacred and overruled all reason. I've been at companies were you get severely punished... sometimes fired for subordination for fixing an obviously broken spec by a designer emperor. It's normal to be "I guess 2+2=5 here, whatever" as if…

Yea, the programmers aren’t to blame here. In fact some of the visual effects they have achieved are pretty cool. The designers are at fault because they prioritized visuals over usability. Literally nobody I know thinks “Liquid Glass” has been an improvement. The feedback is universally negative.

> The designers are at fault because they prioritized visuals over usability

I bet designers aren't at fault here either because Liquid Glass violates at least three rules of design every second that passes.

https://www.vitsoe.com/us/about/good-design#good-design-is-i...

Instead OP mentioned "visual artists"; I agree. Liquid Glass is an art show; something that belongs in the realm of concept cars, not on the road.

Re: The struggle of resizing windows on macOS Tahoe

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Post by hunterloftis »

nine_k wrote: post #269
jdejean wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tahoe is uniquely bad in so many ways, so I tried the Asahi Fedora Remix with Gnome on my M2 Mac Mini. Aesthetically I was more attracted to Gnome, it feels like what we lost with Tahoe. Tahoe to me feels like a really chopped Android skin or something. I made it a few weeks on the Fedora Remix but ended up having to switch back to Mac over missing webcam drivers and other random hardware issues. Plus there’s little…

Could you list some of these little things that macOS does and that you miss? (I usually miss the little Linux-specific things that macOS does not.)

For me it's the keyboard and hotkeys.

I use macs at work and Linux at home. There's no uniform way to make a Linux machine accept things like cmd right arrow to jump to the end of the line, etc.

This is the closest attempt, but it has many gaps: https://github.com/rbreaves/kinto

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