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ADHD is when high school chemistry class covers emulsifiers and you remember it
Why does remembering a topic covered in school mean having ADHD?
It doesn't. I was being sarcastic :)
Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?
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Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?
#932There was a kid in my high school physics class who went to Stanford. One time, someone broke the curve on the midterm test, making it hard for most students to get an A. The future Stanford student’s mom visited the teacher to beg for extra credit assignments. He got his A. I suspect Stanford selects for students who are smart, yes, but most exceptional at gaming the system. Perhaps this is a natural consequence of…
I think this kid's mom was mentioned in the Atlantic article [1] the link in the post is based on. > Other accommodations risk putting the needs of one student over the experience of their peers. One administrator told me that a student at a public college in California had permission to bring their mother to class. This became a problem, because the mom turned out to be an enthusiastic class participant. Woof. [1] h…
Having a mother like that is probably the only legit disability in the article
Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?
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That people know they do not actually need/qualify for accommodations, but misrepresent themselves in order to get them?
Ok but such a person who thinks this way is definitionally in need of help; who would waste any brain wattage caring about this? Do they also need government subsidies to pay attention to their own lives?
So you're saying it's some kind of mental handicap causing people to cheat the system to get benefits, therefore people who fake a handicap to get benefits actually deserve those benefits?
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And my children grew up with rockets regularly targeting us, and our home has sustained damage, and we have had friends killed. Yet my oldest has succeeded in gifted children's organisations her entire time at school. And at the gifted children's organisations I've seen families who have it much harder than we ever did. Children in those families grew up to be resilient, face danger, and overcome obstacles direct and…
I think you're misreading GP's point, which I think is probably also your point. The comment they replied to was apparently suggesting that everyone struggles in some areas, so it's meaningless to highlight one group's struggle over another given that they all have reached a certain stable career. GP main point (as I understand it) is: no, some people actually do struggle harder than others to make it. I don't know w…
Yes, I understood both their points. I added another data point for a struggle that I assume is not common for HNers, and demonstrated that people can overcome such a struggle.
I certainly don't want to compare traumas and I don't consider my family to be traumatised. I'm certain that some HNers could describe further personal experiences that they've overcome. Have we any Sudanese? People from east Ukraine? Yeminites?
Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?
#935> If you mask learning deficiencies with extra time on texts, soothe social anxiety by forgoing presentations, and neglect time management skills with deadline extensions, you might forge a path to better grades. But you'll also find yourself less capable of tackling the challenges of adult life.
I call BS. There are lots of “adult life” occupations where the above are not needed are or not as important.
Not to mention that deadline extensions, extra time, or delegating a presentation to someone else are very common in many fields.
Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?
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> The percentages of workers that are neurodivergent is much higher than usual Is it much though? 38%? I haven't seen one in 15 years across 5+ different companies. > there's a big cadre or neurodivergent people that are just in the line where they are very productive workers anyway Alternatively, it just became popular to label others or oneself that way. And tech elites have nothing better to do in free time. Also…
> Also DEI benefits! Ah, you accidentally showed your hand there. DEI does not provide benefits; it seeks to prevent continued, assumedly unfair, selection processes. Whether or not that is appropriate, or if the system was unfair, is arguable; fictitious "benefits" are not. No one gets a DEI check from the government. But since you don't even see that others around you have disabilities, we can't really expect you t…
> Ah, you accidentally showed your hand there.
And you accidentally showed your hand there.
Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?
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Your point about Stanford having a larger-than-average proportion of 'extremely gifted' kids is reasonable. Perhaps the smartest 20% at Stanford are drawn from the smartest 0.1% nationally. But I think you're too dismissive of this part: The professors Horowitz interviewed largely back up this theory. "You hear 'students with disabilities' and it's not kids in wheelchairs," one professor told Horowitch. "It's just no…
There's a difference in kind not degree to the two sets of questions. It's the difference between someone giving me a ride to work and someone doing my job for me. If the the point of the Calculus class is - ugh, it's been awhile for me so I might be messing this up - to teach the power rule or the thing being taught in English class is how to write a cogent essay in a set period of time then giving a student a calcu…
I love the ride analogy.
So it sounds like you agree with me that, for an English Composition exam, all students should receive the same amount of time. Is that correct?
But now I'm wondering:
- if someone's typing speed is slow due to arthritis or an identifiable condition, shouldn't they get extra time?
- if someone's typing speed is slow just because they never learned to touch type, should they get extra time? after all, the exam is meant to be testing English composition, not typing.
Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?
#938This mirrors the experience of a friend of mine who teaches middle school level history. Every student has some "accommodation" which is something like: can only have three rather than four choices on multiple choice tests, test must be landscape rather than portrait, they get extra time for any writing sections, and more!
Imagine trying to teach ~30 kids when there are 12-15 with an IEP (individualized education plan) with these rules in place. Inevitably, someone will come at me for blaming IEPs, but when they are being exploited in this way the quality of instruction absolutely tanks. Part of this was eliminating AP-standard-basic tiers of classes, so now everyone is in the same class. The "concept" is that kids that are excelling will help the kids that need help. (It does not work this way, the excelling kids get bored, basic kids get bored, chaos ensues.)
My friend, who loves teaching, and has been doing for a decade before this change, is counting the days to her retirement. She says that class has become Burger King, which is have it your way. She has very little say in how these are structured.
Districts love this stuff because it makes them sound like they care about students, but the reality is it's parents pushing down on teachers for better grades at the cost of quality. This doesn't challenge kids in any way, it teaches them that if you complain at the system you can have it easier. My friend has stopped bothering to attempt to change this and is going along with the program as the negatives have obvious career limiting side effects.
It's a classic DDoS / degradation attack.
Personally, it seems insane to me. I get that it's some kind of min-max for Stanford students, nothing like this existed when I was in uni (an eng college). We took our thermo exam, the average was a D+, and we liked it! Of course there was a curve, but the message I received was a humbling one. You don't know as much as you think you do, and you better think twice when building powerful things.
Re: Why are 38 percent of Stanford students saying they're disabled?
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Wow. Great to know we're basically raising an entire generation without any integrity. Can't wait to be in a nursing home where all the staff are trying to meta-game for lowest amount of responsibility rather than caring for the elderly. And believe me, I'm the last person to disparage the truly disabled or those down on their luck. But 38% in a developed country is just straight up insane. Not to mention that if you…
Is it really gaming to get a doctors note to say a pet cat will make you happier?
> Is it really gaming to get a doctors note to say a pet cat will make you happier?
If that takes away a limited resource from someone else (e.g. dorm space) or makes it worse for others (e.g. people don't want animals in a dorm), then yes. Absolutely.