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Re: Zohran Mamdani wins the New York mayoral race

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Post by chasil »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #429
chasil wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is from Eisenhower's "Cross of Iron" speech: Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies—in the final sense—a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is t…

President Eisenhower. Not mayor. President Eisenhower’s portfolio properly contains these things. Mayors should not be travelling to foreign countries on official business outside a very narrow remit. Humanitarian activism isn’t one of them.

So let's take a look...

Eric Adams: Lebanon 2024, Israel 2023, Quatar 2022

Bill de Blasio: Israel 2015

What should not happen obviously does.

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Post by AbstractH24 »

nobody9999 wrote: post #927
AbstractH24 wrote: post #829

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I don't know about age breakdown, but in sheer percent of voters, Mamdani has essentially the same mandate Trump had a year ago. Make of that what you will.

>I don't know about age breakdown, but in sheer percent of voters, Mamdani has essentially the same mandate Trump had a year ago. Huh? Trump v. Harris (2024) [0] Trump: 49.8%, Harris: 48.3% Margin: 1.5% Mamdani v. Cuomo vs. Sliwa (2025) [1] Mamdani: 50.4%, Cuomo: 41.6%, Sliwa: 7.1% Margins: Mamdani v. Cuomo: 9.8% Mamdan v. Sliwa: 40.7% how is that even remotely comparable? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Unite…

It’s basic math:

50.4-49.8=0.6

That’s how.

You seem to be conflating the margin between the winner and the next candidate with an overwhelming majority of people all feeling the same way. The former is a mandate, the latter is just being the least disliked.

And remember, the day after the election last year people thought Trump had gotten a majority of the popular vote. But then, once absentee ballots were counted he fell just shy of it. This morning there was still 9% of the vote uncounted in NYC, so it’s not unlikely here also Mamdani will have a plurality rather than majority.

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Post by bdangubic »

testfoobar wrote: post #206
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #147

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> 34-year-old democratic socialist’s pledge for a four-year pause on any increases on the city’s 1 million or so stabilized units Out of 3.7mm [1]. > not directly familiar with Berlin Not comparable. Berlin froze rents “on more than 1.5 million” apartments in 2020 [2] out of about 2mm. 25% versus 75%. Also, Berlin’s politicians didn’t propose a construction agenda. Mamdani has. (“New York City voters on Tuesday deliv…

Increasing supply brings down prices. But a builder will not build at a loss or an imminent threat to their rental income from expansion of rent freezes. A city with an expanding rent-freeze is not inviting new supply.

awesome stuff! loved this comment cause it is the kind of thing US political party (one in particular) teaches its faithful followers that is rooted in some crazy ideology without a shred of any evidence to back it up (especially since here we are talking about NEW YORK CITY not some shithole in the South). Goodspeed mate, wild stuff!!

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Post by analognoise »

hagbard_c wrote: post #919
Lord-Jobo wrote: post #913

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Absolutely, elect enough Mamdani’s and the powerful will not be able to stop the changes. It’s the expectation that a single Mamdani or Sanders can fix much that has lead to extreme apathy from much of the electorate.

There are plenty of examples in the world to turn to to learn what happens when you get a critical Mamdani-Sanders mass. They tend to be rather unpleasant examples which are usually done away with using a variety on the " true socialism has never been tried" claim. No, Mamdani will not be able to turn New York into Caracas just yet. Let's all hope that nobody will be able to accomplish this.

There's no reason we should pay 2x what everyone else does, and live 10 years less (for healthcare).

We could accept a good deal of socialism into our system and see only benefits; there are a number of things which should not be profit-motive driven at all.

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Post by AbstractH24 »

shagie wrote: post #883
octaane wrote: post #73

You guys have it all wrong. There was only one candidate for the dem party, Here's the list: 1) Cuomo. Sexpest who has been accused by many women of some pretty shitty stuff. Also a member of a multi-generational dynasty, which is not good. 2) Mayor Adams. Federally indicted by the Feds. They have a 99% conviction rate. Not because they're corrupt, but because they only go after people who have dome some really egreg…

For a time warp from The Onion - June 22, 2021 : De Blasio: ‘Well, Well, Well, Not So Easy To Find A Mayor That Doesn’t Suck Shit, Huh?’ https://theonion.com/de-blasio-well-well-well-not-so-easy-to... I'd also call out October 17, 2025 : Zohran Mamdani Refuses To Share Plan For Making Rich Richer https://theonion.com/zohran-mamdani-refuses-to-share-plan-fo...

It’ll be interesting to see the headlines the onions writing by summer 2026.

For all I dislike him, Trump essentially squandered the political capital he had on things that are shiny, motivated by ego, and created clickbaity headlines that single out small subsets of the American populous. He could have done far far worse and less reversible things to America. We’re now at the start of the end of his presidency, with focus first turning to midterms and then his replacement.

I don’t expect Mamdani to do much better with his political capital.

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Post by api »

AbstractH24 wrote: post #935
shagie wrote: post #883

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a time warp from The Onion - June 22, 2021 : De Blasio: ‘Well, Well, Well, Not So Easy To Find A Mayor That Doesn’t Suck Shit, Huh?’ https://theonion.com/de-blasio-well-well-well-not-so-easy-to... I'd also call out October 17, 2025 : Zohran Mamdani Refuses To Share Plan For Making Rich Richer https://theonion.com/zohran-mamdani-refuses-to-share-plan-fo...

It’ll be interesting to see the headlines the onions writing by summer 2026. For all I dislike him, Trump essentially squandered the political capital he had on things that are shiny, motivated by ego, and created clickbaity headlines that single out small subsets of the American populous. He could have done far far worse and less reversible things to America. We’re now at the start of the end of his presidency, with…

I don’t know a ton about Mamdani but he doesn’t seem narcissistic.

I agree with most of his goals but have serious doubts about the viability of the methods. We’ll see.

My biggest doubts are around the idea of price controls, which almost always lead to perverse incentives. The economy finds a way to sneak in an effective price increase via other means. Either that or you create a landed gentry of sorts, or a “landed rentry” for rent control. You get a class of beneficiaries locked into place and nobody else can get in.

I do like seeing different ideas get tried. I like experiments, and I think we should have more of them. The endless tape loop of 1980s-1990s Reagan/Clinton politics is clearly not addressing some glaring problems.

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Post by _heimdall »

randerson wrote: post #869
_heimdall wrote: post #697

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Had the ACA gone further and actually provided a single payer system, I'd consider the block on denials based on preexisting conditions a win. As it is we have a system of private "insurance" that can't consider the risk level of those being insured. All that means is the companies charge everyone else more to subsidize the cost of those who are more at risk. That bastardizes the whole point of private insurance. I d…

Your neighbor buying a Porsche was a choice they made. Nobody chooses to have a pre-existing condition. We're also talking about a luxury vs simple survival. I am not sure how you can compare them. What insurers in some countries do is charge higher premiums for people who engage in high-risk behaviors, like smoking, drinking, or extreme sports. Those are all choices so it seems fair to charge a sin tax for them. Hig…

> Nobody chooses to have a pre-existing condition

Are you sure about that? Plenty of medical conditions are the result, at least in part, of decisions a person makes.

A person with lung cancer seeking health care could very well have smokes for decades. A person with type 2 diabetes may very well have eaten poorly for decades. Obviously those aren't always directly linked to life choices, but they often can be.

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Post by AbstractH24 »

api wrote: post #936
AbstractH24 wrote: post #935

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’ll be interesting to see the headlines the onions writing by summer 2026. For all I dislike him, Trump essentially squandered the political capital he had on things that are shiny, motivated by ego, and created clickbaity headlines that single out small subsets of the American populous. He could have done far far worse and less reversible things to America. We’re now at the start of the end of his presidency, with…

I don’t know a ton about Mamdani but he doesn’t seem narcissistic. I agree with most of his goals but have serious doubts about the viability of the methods. We’ll see. My biggest doubts are around the idea of price controls, which almost always lead to perverse incentives. The economy finds a way to sneak in an effective price increase via other means. Either that or you create a landed gentry of sorts, or a “landed…

While not a narcissist, I can’t tell how much he actually see this election as a stepping stone to higher office. Maybe even following in the footsteps of a one term senator…

And I do think he’s adherent to a fairly narrowly defined set of left wing principles and ideologies.

Like you, I agree there’s no harm in trying new things because there’s always what to learn. But I don’t exactly expect them to go well. Hope I’m wrong though and if nothing else it’s becoming incredibly clear we need a new generation of leaders in this country. To end this loop, like you said.

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Post by af333fff »

testfoobar wrote: post #52

Mamdani's and by extension, his voters', ignorance about the effects of price controls in markets will be an interesting real-time political experiment. When the inevitable unintended outcomes become to emerge who will be blamed? https://rentguidelinesboard.cityofnewyork.us/resources/apart... https://www.zohranfornyc.com/platform Quoting Paul Krugman (Nobel prize winner and liberal columnist at the NYT). "The analysi…

Also quoting Krugman, from today, who no longer writes for the NYT:

"Which party is out of touch, again?

Zohran Mamdani’s victory in New York, in the face of hysterical opposition from the big money, has grabbed many of the headlines, which I understand — it’s an amazing story. And I wonder what the right-wing tech bros are thinking: If Wall Street couldn’t buy New York, can they really buy America?

I’m seeing some commentators argue that Mamdani will be a problem for Democrats, allowing Republicans to paint them as extremists who are out of touch with America. But Republicans would do that anyway. For what it’s worth, Mamdani may be on the left, but all indications are that he’s a pragmatist who will get along fine with the rest of his party.

Meanwhile, you know which party is out of touch and riddled with extremists? The G.O.P.

If you look at recent Republican campaigns and positioning, it’s striking how much energy they’re putting into issues that just don’t matter much to ordinary Americans. Republicans may be obsessed with trans athletes, but most people aren’t. Polls and yesterday’s elections suggest that rants about the menace of illegal aliens have a lot less traction with the public than G.O.P. apparatchiks imagine — and that Americans don’t like the spectacle of masked ICE agents grabbing people off the street.

And if we’re talking about extremists within the party, well, Democrats have people like Mamdani, a mild-mannered guy who says he’s a socialist but really isn’t. The Republican Party, by contrast, has been largely taken over by outright fascists, and is facing a major outbreak of old-fashioned antisemitism."

https://paulkrugman.substack.com/p/which-party-is-in-trouble...

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Post by imperfect_blue »

analognoise wrote: post #934
hagbard_c wrote: post #919

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of examples in the world to turn to to learn what happens when you get a critical Mamdani-Sanders mass. They tend to be rather unpleasant examples which are usually done away with using a variety on the " true socialism has never been tried" claim. No, Mamdani will not be able to turn New York into Caracas just yet. Let's all hope that nobody will be able to accomplish this.

There's no reason we should pay 2x what everyone else does, and live 10 years less (for healthcare). We could accept a good deal of socialism into our system and see only benefits; there are a number of things which should not be profit-motive driven at all.

US healthcare costs are nothing to do with socialism or capitalism.

The reason is two-fold: US is subsidizing the rest of the world's medical research, and US healthcare bureaucracy is among the worst in the world.

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