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Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Even OTP is not secure if others have access to it.

Every castle wall can be broken with money.

How much money is required to decrypt a file encrypted with a 256-bit AES key?

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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I have such a NAS for 8 years, (and a smaller netgear one from maybe 16 years ago), and have yet such a disk fail. But you can get unlucky, buying a supposedly new but "refurbished" item via amazon or the seagate store (so I hear), or have the equivalent of the "death star" HDDs, which had a ridicilously high burnout rate (we measured something like > 10% of the drives failed every week across a fairly large deployhm…

Only a fool would have 24Tb of data and entrust it to a single drive. Of course you buy more than one.

Of course you would stagger the offline backups. But if we are talking storing e.g. movies, the worst case scenario is really not so bad (unless you have the last extant copies of some early Dr Who episodes, then BBC would want to have a word with you)

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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> South Korean corporate management is stuffed full of ex-military officers For those unaware, all "able-bodied" South Korean men are required to do about two years of military service. This sentence doesn't do much for me. Also, please remember that Germany also had required military service until quite recently. That means anyone "old" (over 40) and doing corp mgmt was probably also a military officer.

Also Israel - and their tech echo system is tier 1. As somebody that has also done work in Korea (with on of their banks), my observation was that almost all decision making was top-down, and people were forced to do a ton of monotonous work based on the whims of upper management, and people below could not talk back. I literally stood and watched a director walk in after racking a bunch of equipment and commented th…

Military culture in SK (especially amongst the older generation who served before democratization in the late 1990s) is extremely hierarchical.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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It’s a zine. Been around since the 80’s. Hackers / security industry types read and publish to it.

For more context, the name derives from "phone hacking" or phreacking. You got your legends like Captain Crunch and many of you big tech players were into this stuff when they were younger, such as Woz This was also often tied to a big counter culture movement. Which one interesting thing is that many of those people now define the culture. I guess not too unlike how many hippies changed when they grew up

> the name derives from "phone hacking" or phreacking

Etymology quibble: There is no 'c' in phreaking. Phrack is just a portmanteau of "phreak" and "hack". :)

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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For more context, the name derives from "phone hacking" or phreacking. You got your legends like Captain Crunch and many of you big tech players were into this stuff when they were younger, such as Woz This was also often tied to a big counter culture movement. Which one interesting thing is that many of those people now define the culture. I guess not too unlike how many hippies changed when they grew up

> the name derives from "phone hacking" or phreacking Etymology quibble: There is no 'c' in phreaking. Phrack is just a portmanteau of "phreak" and "hack". :)

Haha thanks. I constantly make that mistake.

  > Phrack is just a portmanteau of "phreak" and "hack". :)
Well... I think that explanation also explains this common mistake :):

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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This is how I’ve done translation for a number of years, even pre-LLM, between the languages I speak natively - machine translation is good enough that it’s faster for me to fix its problems than for me to do it from scratch. (Whether machine translation uses LLMs or not doesn’t seem especially relevant to the workflow.)

My partner is a pro-democracy fighter for her country of origin (she went to prison for it). She used to translate english articles of interest to her native language for all the fellow-exiles from her country. I showed her Google translate and it blew her mind how much work it did for her. All she had to do was review it and clean it up. The AI hype train is bs, but there're real and concrete uses for it if you don'…

    > The AI hype train is bs, but there're real and concrete uses for it if you don't expect it to become a super-intelligence.
I agree 100% with this sentiment. Another good use case: Ask an LLM to summarize a large document. Again, not super-intelligence, but can be a big timesaver to reduce "intern work". I have heard some people have a LLM plug-in to their Microsoft Outlook (Exchange) that allows them to summarize an email thread. Again, not perfect, but helps to reduce cognitive load. Another practical example: Using an LLM with conference calls to transcribe meeting notes and provide a summary. Then you can review the summary, fix any obvious errors, and send by email to participants.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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At the very bottom of the article, I see this notice: > This article was originally written in Korean and translated by a bilingual reporter with the help of generative AI tools. It was then edited by a native English-speaking editor. All AI-assisted translations are reviewed and refined by our newsroom. I like that. It is direct and honest. I'm fine with people using LLMs for natural language related work, as long a…

That footnote does make me question the bilingual reporter's skills in both languages though. If the reporter needs an LLM to help translate they could easily be missing subtle mistranslations. The final note that all AI-assisted translations are reviewed by the newsroom is also interesting. If they are going to take the time to review it and have enough experience in both languages to verify the translation, why use…

    > If the reporter needs an LLM to help translate they could easily be missing subtle mistranslations.
You raise an interesting point about "missing subtle mistranslations". Consider the stakes for this article: This highly factual news reporting. There are unlikely to be complex or subtle grammar. However, if translating an interview, this stakes are higher, as people use many idiomatic expressions when speaking their native language. Thinking deeper: The highest stakes (culturally) that I can think of is translating novels. They are full of subtle meanings.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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You should look at the previous president of SK. Maybe a few more too... they frequently land in jail... I'm not sure Yoon Suk Yeol had any shame https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Yoon_Suk_Yeol

The weird thing is 13 days later his temporary successor Han was also impeached, basically because he vetoed two bills doing investigations into Yoon. IIRC, the constitutional court wasn’t fully appointed yet. And also apparently, an impeachment is a simple majority in the Assembly, and appears the DPK (the current majority party) has been impeaching everyone they disagree with. My wife, who’s from Korea, says that L…

  > My wife, who’s from Korea
Lol, I'm in a similar boat.

  > 13 days later his temporary successor Han was also impeached
Crazier than that![0]

  - Han Duck-soo: Acting president for 13 days. Impeached for refusing to investigate Yoon Suk Yeol and Kim Keon Hee (Yoon's wife). 
    - There were 192 votes against him and 108 members *abstained* from voting. This meant that they failed to form a quorum. *This vote was strictly party lines*
    - They ruled that they only need 50% approval because Han was the Prime Minister. *President needs 2/3rds btw*
  - Choi Sang-mok: was the acting PM for those 13 days. But only serves for 87!
  - 24 March SK's (equivalent to) supreme court overrules Han's impeachment 7-1, and Han once again becomes the acting president. 
So he was impeached after 13 days for trying to bury Yoon's impeachment case, the Conservatives refuse to show up to the hearing, and months later he gets reinstated by the highest court.

  > the DPK has been impeaching everyone they disagree with.
My understanding is that there's kinda a history of this as well as pardoning. Take Park Geun-hye[2] as an example. She was the leader of the GNP (Grand National Party; SK's conservative party), and in December 2016 she was impeached (234 to 56) for influence peddling. Hwang Kyo-ahn (Prime Minister) becomes acting president. In March of 2017, their supreme court upholds the impeachment unanimously, and in May Moon Jae-in (DPK) becomes president. April 2018 Park is sentenced to 24 years in jail, and then is further prosecuted for stealing money from Korea's CIA and interfering in elections. In December 2021 Hwang pardons her and she's back home early 2022.

Before Yoon was Moon Jae-in (DPK), who the GNP tried to impeach in 2019. (Hwang Kyo-ahn was acting after Park's impeachment, who preceded Moon).

Before Park was Lee Myung-bak (GNP). He got 15 years in prison. In 2022 Yoon gave him a pardon.

Before Lee was Roh Moo-hyun (Liberal party) (Goh Kun was in between because...) but was impeached (193 to 2) in 2004 and his supporters were literally fighting people in the assembly. Month later supreme court overturned impeachment. After he left presidency people around him started getting sentenced. In 2009 he threw himself off a cliff as investigations were following him too.

Since the 60's they've had a president exiled, a coup, and even an assassination. It's fucking wild!

And don't get started on chaebols...[3]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_South_Ko...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Han_Duck-soo

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Geun-hye

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaebol

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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I abhor the general trend of governments outsourcing everything to private companies, but in this case, a technologically advanced country’s central government couldn’t even muster up the most basic of IT practices, and as you said, accountability will likely not rest with the people actually responsible for this debacle. Even a nefarious cloud services CEO couldn’t dream up a better sales case for the wholesale outs…

I'm with you. It's really sad that this provides such a textbook case of why not to own your own infrastructure. Practically speaking, I think a lot of what is offered by Microsoft, Google, and the other big companies that are selling into this space is vastly overpriced and way too full of lock-in, taking this stuff in-house without sufficient knowhow and maturity is even more foolish. It's like not hiring professio…

If this is true, every government should subsidize competitors in their own country to drive down costs.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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If SK is anything similar to Germany or Japan in how they are digitizing their government processes, you'll probably be able to find paper printouts of all the data that was lost.

The fun part will be finding them, figuring out their relevance, and re-digitizing them in a useful form.

The extra fun will be if they can find multiple copies of unknown provenance. Who wins?

On the other hand, I hope a few boots on the ground get to use this as a chance to toss decades of bad technical debt. "Why are we still running that 2011 Oracle database version?".

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