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Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by johnisgood »

pxc wrote: post #902

There was a school shooting on the same day as Kirk's death: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/students-wounded-shooti... If he were still alive, he would be writing and speaking about how such violence is unfortunate but ultimately acceptable— even necessary— to "preserve our freedoms", brushing it aside to be forgotten. He of course did so many times in life, notably in 2023 when he was quoted doing so in the me…

> If he were still alive, he would be writing and speaking about how such violence is unfortunate but ultimately acceptable— even necessary— to "preserve our freedoms"

He would have really advocated for violence, or school shootings? That seems odd. It is way different from "gun deaths are worth having the 2nd amendment".

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by Rover222 »

vik0 wrote: post #8

Am I wrong in thinking this guy isn't/wasn't a very influential person, outside of Twitter and the people that stay on there 24/7? If so, why even target the poor guy? What change was the person who shot him hoping to elicit? Either way, I hope he makes it, even though it looks like it was a fatal blow

Like most of us, you're living in your own media bubble.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by johnnyanmac »

jalapenos wrote: post #749
loughnane wrote: post #689

The sad irony is that he's at a college campus debating/arguing with people. At their best that's what college campuses are for. I know they haven't been living up to it lately but seeing him gunned down feels like a metaphor. I know he liked to publicize the exchanges where he got the best of someone, and bury the others, and that he was a far, far cry from a public intellectual. Still, he talked to folks about idea…

I think that's the point. The kind of individual who shoots someone for saying things he doesn't like is a narcissist. Ideas anger narcissists because if they are counter to what they already believe, they are a personal affront, and if they cannot reason the challenge away because - quite simply, they're wrong and the other person is right - it creates a great anger in them. And narcissism is prevailing in our cultu…

>and maybe you don't know everything, and maybe what you believe is actually naive and just a manifestation of your sillyness.

I have coworkers lying low so they don't get deported from the country. And many were born here. I beyond exhausted of this "both sides" narrative as if I need any introspection on the prospect of "maybe we should exile people based on skin color".

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by johnnyanmac »

lunarboy wrote: post #908
pxc wrote: post #902

There was a school shooting on the same day as Kirk's death: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/students-wounded-shooti... If he were still alive, he would be writing and speaking about how such violence is unfortunate but ultimately acceptable— even necessary— to "preserve our freedoms", brushing it aside to be forgotten. He of course did so many times in life, notably in 2023 when he was quoted doing so in the me…

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Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by [deleted] »

themgt wrote: post #286

But we have to make an effort in the United States. We have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond, or go beyond these rather difficult times. My favorite poem, my -- my favorite poet was Aeschylus. And he once wrote: "Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the awful grace of God." What we need in the Uni…

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Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by anigbrowl »

goku12 wrote: post #859

I completely disagree with Charlie Kirk's rather unsympathetic preachings on many topics. But this act - it gives me a very sinking feeling. What worries me more than the yet undetermined identity of the killer is how a lot of people are responding to the news. Why do some people celebrate his death? This was not a person who was declared as an enemy of the state. He was someone holding a public political debate. Can…

I know that Kirk has expressed opinion that downplayed the value of human life (like in case of gun rights). But how does that make the side that advocated for dignity, equality and empathy just suspend those values in his case?

His supporters are getting a taste of their own medicine. As you said 'the fear, pain and tears on the other side [is] gradually getting replaced by outrage and resentment', but so what? Outrage and resentment has been the staple food of the right wing for decades. So has laughing at the suffering of others, for example: https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/rush-limbaugh-s-true-l...

The right is already well on the way to turning the US into a police state, and I've lost count of the number of mass shootings where people were murdered because some right winger hated some aspect of their identity, whether that's religious, racial, sexual, whatever. Sometimes the two combine; in Florida, the state recently decided to paint over a rainbow crosswalk that the state itself had put in place to commemorate the victims of a mass shooting, and now they're arresting people for replacing the memorial with chalk: https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/pu...

As far as I'm concerned, the right used up all their forgiveness tickets quite a while ago. If they dislike the position they currently find themselves in, maybe it's their behavior that needs to change.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by tetromino_ »

mangfanghang wrote: post #923

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For one thing, because threads about BLM protesters and cars didn't blow up like this one with 2000+ comments.

For another, Dang judged - probably correctly - that a large fraction of people active on HN thoroughly hated Kirk. Without the warning, he might have needed to ban a lot of active and useful contributors, and he'd rather not need to do that.

Re: Charlie Kirk killed at event in Utah

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Post by kiitos »

if you go to https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/last-72-hours as of right now (11 sep 2025 2145h utc) you actually can't find this dude's death in the list any more, and that list includes minimum 51 victim deaths since his

every one of those victims is infinitely more deserving of attention and sympathy than this absolute chucklefuck

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