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Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

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There are lots of crypto skeptics on HN (and we ourselves were disappointed with crypto's payments utility for much of the past decade), so it might be interesting to share what changed our mind over the past couple of years: we started to notice a lot of real-world businesses finding utility in stablecoins. For example, Bridge (a stablecoin orchestration platform that Stripe acquired) is used by SpaceX for managing…

"Another big customer, DolarApp, is providing banking services to customers in Latin America."

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/jasonmikula_fintech-partner-a...

When this bank employee expressed skepticism of "DolarApp" he was faced retaliation:

https://ia800508.us.archive.org/28/items/gov.uscourts.flmd.4...

"10. In and around the spring of 2023, Mr. Ibrahim became uncomfortable with certain practices and activities in which the Bank began to become involved. These included practices that, in Mr. Ibrahims opinion, jeopardized the Banks compliance with anti-money laundering laws, federal safety and soundness requirements for depository institutions, and compliance with specific OCC regulations and requirements that were particularly imperative due to the fact that the Bank was already considered a Troubled Institution

14. Mr. Ibrahim further objected to Axioms initiation of new business programs, without first obtaining non-objection letters from the OCC and without review by the Banks internal New Product Risk Committee, as required by written policies. One such project, DolarApp, was of particular concern to Mr. Ibrahim as it entailed cross-border movement of funds, which triggered significant concerns as to whether the Banks BSA/AML controls are sufficient, among other things.

15. But when Ibrahim raised these concerns with the CEO, Ross Breunig, he told Ibrahim to the effect that he did not want to hear it and shut down the conversation.

18. Almost immediately after Mr. Ibrahim objected to these practices, Axiom and Mr. Breunig began a pattern of retaliation. After the April 2023 leadership meeting where Mr. Ibrahim raised concerns relating to CSI and the DolarApp, Mr. Breunig began canceling Executive Board of Director meetings that Mr. Ibrahim attended.

19. Following a leadership meeting in May 2023, where again Mr. Ibrahim raised concerns about CSI, DolarApp and the overdraft positions, Mr. Ibrahim began receiving email cancellations to multiple committees and Board meetings.

20. Upon inquiry, Mr. Ibrahim learned the meetings were not being canceled, but rather he was being uninvited without explanation. Mr. Breunigs hostility with Mr. Ibrahim also became noticeably apparent during this time."

Of course Stripe, Inc. is neither a Troubled Bank nor an untroubled one

Anyway, it sounds like DolarApp could be useful for evading anti-money laundering and bank secrecy laws

"Importantly, none of these businesses are using crypto because it's crypto or for any speculative benefit."

That's only one of the many reasons people might be skeptical of crypto. See above

"They're performing real-world financial activity, and they've found that crypto (via stablecoins) is easier/faster/better than the status quo ante."

How much of this "real world financial activity" is not criminally culpable

100% no doubt

Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

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There's not that much CPU involved. Most of the stablecoins are on Ethereum, and I think the rest are on other proof-of-stake platforms, not Bitcoin.

Ethereum is able to process something like 150 transactions per second, using about 1,000,000 validator machines. Postgres running on a single Raspberry Pi is something like 200 TPC-B read/write transactions per second. Saying Ethereum “is not using very much CPU” is baffling to me. It is the state-of-the-art in this regard, and it uses something like six orders of magnitude more CPU than a normal database running a…

there's 1,000,000 validators (defined as a public key), but you can run multiple validators per machine. Most estimates that crawl the p2p network to index nodes comes out at like ~20,000 machines

doesn't invalidate your point but it at least shaves off a few orders of magnitude

and a single PG node is not a fair comparison, we're talking 100% uptime global networks. Visa does about 70,000 transactions per second - how many servers do you think they run across their infra?

Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

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Neither Uber nor AirBnB got anyone’s “act in order”. Uber just captured wealth via operating at a loss until competition was absorbed or destroyed. AirBnB just helped further drive up the prices of single family homes and didn’t really have much effect on the hospitality industry at all - it caused a minor observable loss in profit which ultimately resulted in nothing.

Outside of maybe NYC, taxi service in the U.S. was totally unreliable before Uber/Lyft. It's not even a matter of price. It's so much easier to get a ride now in most of the country. I don't think AirB&B really improved hotels, but it did organize and centralize the "vacation rental" market, making it easier to, for example, rent a beach cottage for the weekend.

Existing Taxi services did not improve - they were replaced by a lower quality, more expensive alternative with a lesser economic infusion to local economies.

Hotels and the hospitality industry did not improve at all.

None of those points refute me or support the argument I was contesting - that a “uber or airbnb of banking” would cause banks to “get their act in order”.

Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

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post #46

There are lots of crypto skeptics on HN (and we ourselves were disappointed with crypto's payments utility for much of the past decade), so it might be interesting to share what changed our mind over the past couple of years: we started to notice a lot of real-world businesses finding utility in stablecoins. For example, Bridge (a stablecoin orchestration platform that Stripe acquired) is used by SpaceX for managing…

Isn’t the advantage of Stablecoins just that you can avoid regulation when it comes to payments, especially across borders?

Otherwise why not just use normal digital payments? I fail to see why a blockchain is needed to log the transactions.

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> a shared ledger implemented with traditional databases / protocols would be faster, easier, and more transparent. Stablecoin is not a technology. It's an excuse. An excuse to do what banks do while not being regulated like a bank or using the infrastructure banks use. Similar to how Airbnb is not a technology but an excuse to do what hotels do without hotel's license. So it makes no sense to compare it to database,…

Large banks like JPMorgan Chase are also looking into launching their own stablecoins, just because it has less regulation than normal banking. In fact Jamie Dimon himself says so. The idea is really simple: creating stablecoin deposit accounts for customers allows banks to skip existing customer protections that are normally afforded to traditional deposit accounts.

Yep. And the White House will let them now.

Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

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post #46

There are lots of crypto skeptics on HN (and we ourselves were disappointed with crypto's payments utility for much of the past decade), so it might be interesting to share what changed our mind over the past couple of years: we started to notice a lot of real-world businesses finding utility in stablecoins. For example, Bridge (a stablecoin orchestration platform that Stripe acquired) is used by SpaceX for managing…

What is the benefit over cash?

I’ve heard stable coins are beneficial for the owners of the coin because it’s basically an interest free loan to the token owner.

Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

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Venmo is essentially a stable coin

You are correct but with Venmo or PayPal there’s a middleman charging fees who can lock your funds. A decentralised PayPal is appealing.

Not really.

The “solution” for decentralisation - proof of work - makes the system a lot more expensive (think: higher fees) than a centralised database.

Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

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> a shared ledger implemented with traditional databases / protocols would be faster, easier, and more transparent. Stablecoin is not a technology. It's an excuse. An excuse to do what banks do while not being regulated like a bank or using the infrastructure banks use. Similar to how Airbnb is not a technology but an excuse to do what hotels do without hotel's license. So it makes no sense to compare it to database,…

Can you do fractional reserve banking with stablecoins where you lend out the underlying dollars to people and don't have full reserves? That's what makes banking tricky. When there are a surge of loan defaults across the banking system the money supply shrinks rapidly unless the government bails them out. Thus, the need for regulation. One reason the U.S government has to like stablecoins is because Tether is one of…

Only a fool would think Tether have never had an audit done out of fear it would prove they’re fully backed.

Re: Stripe Launches L1 Blockchain: Tempo

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> Can you do fractional reserve banking with stablecoins where you lend out the underlying dollars to people and don't have full reserves? In a manner of speaking. You need to trust that the issuers have the reserve they claim. There's no way around this, unless the asset in reserve is equally ethereal (i.e. another cryptocurrency). Tether, for one, almost certainly doesn't have the reserves.

You would be surprised about tether though They are now really backed. It might be they weren’t. Now they definitely are. https://tether.to/en/transparency/?tab=usdt All these years all this Fud and so far nobody demonstrated what you clam. They are also the faster to block their stablecoin whenever there is a hack.

This is the company who have never produced a real audit despite years of saying they would?

If they are fully backed they’d get an audit. The fact they don’t should tell you all you need to know.

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Yes, you can absolutely do that with stablecoins. Why couldn't you?

How would the “out of thin air” value creation work in a blockchain ledger? Pardon my very naive understanding of both subjects.

The same way it does in Excel.

You fire up Excel. Put some numbers in the boxes. Say those numbers are dollar bills you have under the bed.

Then you do SUM(A1:A10) to show your total funds. It has to be legit because Excel doesn’t lie right?

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