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Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by fsflover »

timuckun wrote: post #681
kokanee wrote: post #589

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your comment warrants a post in its own right: let's rank FAANG/M by evilness. Personally I've always been way more afraid of Google, because Microsoft's evil is just old-school capitalism, which is blatant, brash, and harder to ignore than to identify. Google feels like they are quietly and surreptitiously trying to pull the strings of the online economy in their favor, voraciously consuming the world's data behind…

Does google collect more information than Apple, Meta, Microsoft, OpenAI, Palantir etc? I don't think so. Collecting data is a baseline for all those companies, you have to rank the evil they do with that data.

> Does google collect more information than Apple

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by tonymet »

iamdamian wrote: post #182

Forgejo is a really great self-hosted alternative to GitHub. If you've wondered about hosting your own version of GitHub but have worried it's too hard to set up, I'd encourage you to spend even a few minutes spinning an instance up with Docker Compose and poking around. https://forgejo.org/docs/latest/admin/installation/docker/

Self hosting is a great idea. I’m curious which web features you find most useful? Is it primarily about PRs and code review?

I’m trying to think of what a bare minimum SSH remote experience would look like. Could you do code reviews with a terminal instead.

I love the git SSH experience for speed, but I find myself using GitHub for the PRs & code review. It would be nice to have a self hosted , terminal-based solution

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by Wurdan »

codingdave wrote: post #233

I've been in a three different scenarios where I worked for independent companies under the umbrella of a large parent organization. In all 3, the leadership left or was fired, and the remainder of the company was merged into a division of the parent company. The product quality went to shit in all 3 scenarios. There were different reasons and nuances to them all, but all 3 boiled down to one common factor. Instead o…

I went through an acquisition by Microsoft (the Skype one) and I feel that independent leadership isn't all it's cracked up to be in such scenarios.

We were indeed left as our own division (other than the fact that Lync got merged into us in 2012) for quite some time, but the Microsoft culture seeped in via middle management anyway.

Skypers would leave on the ~2 year cycle that is common in tech and would get replaced by life-long Microsofters. They saw opportunities to have a bigger remit in a less mature division and applied internally. And they brought the company culture along with them much more than any decisions made by Satya.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by tonymet »

git SSH remotes are easy, complete and practically free to host, with many features that GitHub doesn’t offer (like reflog, backup, updateOnPush, rebase & subtree), though you have to get comfortable with PR & code review via email or text file.

Sourcehut aka sr.ht is a free email-driven GitHub alternative. If you like email patches flows instead, check that out.

SSH unleashes the true distributed nature of git. With confidence you can move commits across instances , pushing to various repos. You can build some very flexible publishing and archiving patterns with git alone.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by bongodongobob »

moi2388 wrote: post #841
smcin wrote: post #660

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Why doesn't your company get the use case for Elasticsearch? Is it because you're trying to pitch it with CTO arguments on capabilities, not COO/CFO arguments like "will permanently replace N humans"?

No, they do get it. They just don’t want to invest time in it, so only through a third party. But AI is sexy, so LLMs doing document search? Yes please, let’s have some teams dedicate their time and effort to develop it ourselves. It’s because AGI is going to come, you know, so if we invest now they can replace everybody with AI Are you laughing as hard as I was when they told me this?

We just recently implemented a doc search "agent". It's no better than just using the built in search in Teams/M365. Complete waste of time. One of our dev teams spent an entire quarter on it and no one is going to use it because it is slower and outside of everyone's normal workflow.

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by kassha »

pjmlp wrote: post #84

I think that just like it happened with Apple after they made it out of bankruptcy, Microsoft being the cool guys phase is slowly over. Xamarin is no more, after the whole MAUI rewrite without backwards compatibility to Xamarin.Forms, killing VS4Mac, shortly after having rewriten the underlying Xamarin based IDE into Mac, what survives is a subset of Xamarin tech for mobile and WebAssembly workloads. .NET is now cros…

"Microsoft being the cool guys phase" lol, ok

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by bitbasher »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #898
bitbasher wrote: post #466

GitHub has been a growing disappointment for quite a while. 1. GitHub itself isn't opensource despite being the opensource forge. 2. Microsoft (of all companies) acquired it. 3. Microsoft pushes VSCode and kills GitHub's Atom. 4. GitHub employees are quite political (master branch rename, ICE protest resignations, etc). 5. GitHub striking down repositories and user accounts (the Russian developer, yt-dlp, etc). 6. LL…

> 3. Microsoft pushes VSCode and kills GitHub's Atom. Zed was born as a result, which is drastically better. Zed tried to go into the AI thing, then made it possible to use it without any AI stuff, which is good.

If I could trade Zed for Microsoft's acquisition of GitHub, I'd give up Zed. We lost way more than we gained.

Yes-- Zed allows you to disable the AI now. However, you still can't remove the GitHub login button on the editor. What's up with that?

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by moi2388 »

bongodongobob wrote: post #936
moi2388 wrote: post #841

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they do get it. They just don’t want to invest time in it, so only through a third party. But AI is sexy, so LLMs doing document search? Yes please, let’s have some teams dedicate their time and effort to develop it ourselves. It’s because AGI is going to come, you know, so if we invest now they can replace everybody with AI Are you laughing as hard as I was when they told me this?

We just recently implemented a doc search "agent". It's no better than just using the built in search in Teams/M365. Complete waste of time. One of our dev teams spent an entire quarter on it and no one is going to use it because it is slower and outside of everyone's normal workflow.

Yep. We do the same. We also do copilot agents. Just don’t tell anybody that behind the scenes it’s the same 10 year old power automate flows running..

Re: GitHub is no longer independent at Microsoft after CEO resignation

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Post by lisbbb »

fnord123 wrote: post #782
sevensor wrote: post #699

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Excel single-handedly redeems Microsoft from being a pure drain on human existence, but I can’t see what the point of the company is beyond that. Enterprise something something maybe. And declining literacy makes Powerpoint unfortunately indispensable.

> Excel single-handedly redeems Microsoft from being a pure drain on human existence Debatable. Excel can't even open CSV files properly. You need to run the import wizard. But loads of people don't do this. They see a file on their desktop and double click it. Why can't double clicking a CSV file just open the import wizard!? (Because they want people to share xlsx files as a data format.)

OMG--we had a worfklow where less-techy folks were supposed to edit a csv, then check it in to github, which would kick off a whole process automatically for them. I kid you not--anyone who edited the csv in Excel would eff the whole file up every single time! They just needed a text editor, which we told them to use, and the changes were literally simple, either editing an existing entry or adding a new entry. Nope, these college educated "IT" workers could not handle it! We ended up having to scrap the entire automation workflow because the employees were simply too dumb to use a text editor and github.
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