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IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by michaelsshaw »

EasyMark wrote: post #604
the__alchemist wrote: post #218

Some context first so my opinion isn't misconstrued as as leftist stereotype. This is within context of the behavior described in the article. - I'm a Jew in USA, and served in the military for more than a decade. - I used to get annoyed by the Palestinian protests I'd see in the years before this, and generally sided with Israel, and the operations its military performed in counter-Shia-militia operations etc in the…

RIght this isn't Israel as a whole, it's the crazed right wing Netanyahu government. I can understand taking out Hamas but their tactics have far superceded what is considered "not a war crime"

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Post by edanm »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #896
amy214 wrote: post #860

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So because Israel has a "long history of humanitarianism", we can dismiss evidence of Israeli war crimes as fictitious hit jobs? And once we've dismissed all evidence of Israeli war crimes, we can conclude that Israel has a "long history of humanitarianism"? Rinse, repeat — do I have that right? The source is one of the biggest Israeli newspapers, by the way.

> The source is one of the biggest Israeli newspapers, by the way.

I think that's a bit misleading. Per Wikipedia, it has a ~5% readership, as opposed to the bigger papers that have a ~22% readership. It is one of the older and most established papers though, that is true.

Anecdotally, I don't think Haaretz is very widely read among the "average" populace, though I think it has a lot of cachet in intellectual (and of course Leftist) circles.

Re: IDF officers ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near Gaza food distribution sites

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Post by BrawnyBadger53 »

mikrotikker wrote: post #887
austin-cheney wrote: post #12

The biggest problem with this isn’t the horror of the actual war crime. The far more serious concern are the lengths the government will go to avoid holding anyone accountable. That is so much worse because it unintentionally endorses future crimes and challenges the offenders to take ever more offensive actions without fear of consequences.

Or maybe because this isn't happening at all could be the reason why because there is actually no one to hold accountable because this is just some hysterical anti semitic conspiracy theory.

What is the conspiracy here? Who is the perpetrator? Haaretz is Israeli owned and operated. The sources are Israeli soldiers and officers. The war is definitely real and gazans definitely died while receiving food aid.

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Post by int_19h »

jekwoooooe wrote: post #653
perlgeek wrote: post #79

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From Israel's perspective, Palestinians are a problem. Long term, they have a few options: 1) Give them their own state. This is difficult for quite many reasons, and Israel (by which I mean the current government) doesn't want that 2) Give them full citizenship rights equal to Israel's citizens, make sure they have a proper minority representation, and let them participate in the regular political processes. The cur…

And why are they Israel’s problem to solve? What about Jordan who expelled EVERY Palestinian in 1970? What about Qatar? What about Egypt? Lebanon? Any Arab country??? Why is it Israel’s problem? There was a legal agreement in 1948. It could have been so simple.

Because Palestinians were already there when Israelis came and decided to create their state on those lands?

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Post by krembo »

int_19h wrote: post #904
krembo wrote: post #821

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So nice that pro-Israeli comments get flagged and moderators do nothing about that. Talking about bias and censorship, I guess some contradictory thoughts are not very welcomed for some who think about themselves as standing in the frontlines of democracy. Also disappointed about @dang, there seems very little objective admin work done here.

The reason why your comment was downvoted is not because you've made an assertion contrary to the hivemind, but because you did so in a way that is highly dismissive towards the audience you address, using slurs like "Pallywood. That's low-effort trolling which is, indeed, unwelcome in this community, which the downvoting reflects.

Do you say that calling by name a phenomena of staged videos from Gaza is not a thing?

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Post by krembo »

itchyouch wrote: post #876
krembo wrote: post #821

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So nice that pro-Israeli comments get flagged and moderators do nothing about that. Talking about bias and censorship, I guess some contradictory thoughts are not very welcomed for some who think about themselves as standing in the frontlines of democracy. Also disappointed about @dang, there seems very little objective admin work done here.

I think this should be a moment of reflection that the world is waking up to the atrocities of Israel, and not a time to complain about censorship.

Thank you for your reflections. When the time comes and palestinians will stop massacaring us I will remember to take it into account.

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Post by lostmsu »

swat535 wrote: post #521
wat10000 wrote: post #293

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I’m becoming very skeptical of the “bad government, good people” idea. Governments need popular support. This goes even for horrible dictatorships. There are degrees, of course. An oppressive state can survive with less popular support than a democracy. But it still needs a decent amount. The machinery of dictatorship is as much about keeping popular support as it is about forcing people to suppress their opposition.

> I’m becoming very skeptical of the “bad government, good people” idea. Governments need popular support. This goes even for horrible dictatorships You're either being disingenuous or have never experienced real dictatorship. I lived under theocracy in IRAN for more than half my life and I promise you that the Westerns screaming from the back "just revolt!" have no clue what they are talking about. These regimes con…

This is silly. You don't revolt by protesting on the streets. You revolt by assassinating the head (I mean in the scenarios like you describe). There are very few people who would want to try tyrannical control over a population if an attempt would come with a downside of having an average lifespan of 2 years.

In most cases the only thing standing between you and the target is inconvenience of obtaining a descent firearm.

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Post by prmoustache »

ost-ing wrote: post #813
prmoustache wrote: post #656

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Palestinians are genetically closer to the jews that populated those lands centuries ago. The reality is palestinians ancestors were mostly jews who decided to convert to islam. Denying their rights to continue living there is absurd. The state of Israel is just another example of euro white colonialism.

Im not saying that any of this excuses the nationalist movement Israel is today, im just stating a fact that semitic descendants in Europe have heritage to those lands. Just because someone appears white and blue-eyed doesn't necessarily negate that. Judaism is an ethno-religion, so while some people may have no connection to semitic people, others will have a closer connection and its discriminatory to simply say “t…

> im just stating a fact that semitic descendants in Europe have heritage to those lands

Heritage that is so remote that it doesn't matter anymore. Most of their ancestors left centuries ago.

It is like me claiming the land of any country between Ethiopia and Botswana, installing a government and colonies, seizing lands and forcing their inhabitants to flee in a small strip of land along a rontier because modern human is claimed to come from this area so I declare it my home.

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Post by kubb »

the__alchemist wrote: post #218

Some context first so my opinion isn't misconstrued as as leftist stereotype. This is within context of the behavior described in the article. - I'm a Jew in USA, and served in the military for more than a decade. - I used to get annoyed by the Palestinian protests I'd see in the years before this, and generally sided with Israel, and the operations its military performed in counter-Shia-militia operations etc in the…

It’s bizarre that one can use an accusation of „leftism” to deflect attention from literal atrocities.

At this point people should really take a look in the mirror.

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