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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by yubblegum »

trashtester wrote: post #450
trilbyglens wrote: post #425

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Because the system is designed to allow these people in a gray zone, so they do not have access to the same rights as citizens and therefore can be exploited. The problem is not illegal immigration. It's just a political football. Our economy would fily collapse without this cheap labor to exploit.

It would not collapase. But it would shift some purchaing power from the middle class to the working class if all of them would leave, as working class salaries would go up even faster than the inflatino it would cause.

> inflatino

please tell me that's not a typo /g

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by jonplackett »

matt-attack wrote: post #604
jonplackett wrote: post #399

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Because they don’t really care. It’s just about creating divisions in society to keep people voting for people that do everything against their interests.

Or maybe they just got tired of millions of immigrants flaunting the law and overburdening the system? We had unprecedented levels of illegal immigration over the last four years. Do you think it went unnoticed and didn’t adversely affect anyone? Why jump to these conspiracy notions about division and blatantly ignore the simplest and most obvious explanation.

It’s not a conspiracy theory to say the powerful’s modus operandi is ‘divide and rule’. It’s been this way for thousands of years.

We gotta stop calling people working hard manual jobs 7 days a week the scroungers and start calling the people working 0 days a week and collecting rent and passive income the scroungers - they are the real drain on society.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by spacechild1 »

bradley13 wrote: post #418

Using the National Guard is clearly justified. Using the national military (in the case, the Marines) is...highly questionable. That said, California should have been on top of this situation. It looks like Newsom is willing to sacrifice the safety of his citizens in an attempt to score political points.

> Using the National Guard is clearly justified.

WTF? How was this justified?

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by 93po »

ygjb wrote: post #914
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #907

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> It's fascism 101. It is absolutely not. It is politics 101: you are the only one who can solve a problem. War on Drugs, War on Terror.

That's disingenuous - all policy is inherently political. Reducing the tactics of fascism to politics is no different than the claim that all politicians are the same. It's no mistake that the War on Drugs and the War on Terror were both radical increases in authoritarian power, both of which were implemented by Republicans as part of right-wing approaches to addressing both perceived and real threats. Yes, those are…

Voted for overwhelmingly by both parties. Obama also started wars in new countries. Clinton expanded war on drugs despite criticizing it. And all dem presidents failed to deschedule cannabis and other relatively harmless drugs.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by ulfw »

falcor84 wrote: post #563
snarf21 wrote: post #533

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Yeah, the whole platform is about Othering. The greatest trick the rich ever pulled was convincing the middle class that the poor are the cause of all their problems.

I'm confused. I don't recall anyone ever saying that we need to get rid of the poor, but rather that we should try to make conditions better for everyone such that fewer people are poor. Did I miss my scheduled indoctrination message?

You willfully ignore the 'Big Beautiful Bill' which will make the poor poorer, taking Medicaid from millions of people and making the richest of the rich richer with tax breaks.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by yupitsme123 »

komali2 wrote: post #915
yupitsme123 wrote: post #836

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I don't disagree with you, but after all the damage that was done by riots in 2020, there should be a desire to nip violent protests in the bud.

If you please, I would find your argument more compelling if I wasn't personally aware that the damage from protests in 2020 was very little compared to normal day to day activity in cities, or the typical damage after a popular sporting event, as well as my awareness that the most famous incidents of damage from BLM protests were from positively identified undercover police officers and white supremacist agitators.…

My neighborhood was severely damaged. Many people left and never came back and many stores never reopened. I live in an apartment building which could easily be compromised and then I'd be a sitting duck for whoever wants to break into my apartment. The riots got out of hand because folks were afraid to implement law and order.

Ironically, we had protests yesterday, the police came out in huge numbers and as far as I can tell everything was peaceful. The protesters got their protest and the rest of us got to keep our lives and property.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by yupitsme123 »

BriggyDwiggs42 wrote: post #851
yupitsme123 wrote: post #836

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I don't disagree with you, but after all the damage that was done by riots in 2020, there should be a desire to nip violent protests in the bud.

Why does 2020 fundamentally alter the nature of protest?

It doesn't. Just an example from recent memory of how things can get out of hand if there's no law and order. My city suffered a lot from the drstruction and violence and I would prefer it not happen again.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by yupitsme123 »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #879
yupitsme123 wrote: post #836

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I don't disagree with you, but after all the damage that was done by riots in 2020, there should be a desire to nip violent protests in the bud.

As Newsom said, sending military on US soil is escalating violence, not quelling it. We have some 9000 LAPD and we have sports game upsets with worse destruction than this. This was not only illegal but unnecessary.

I don't doubt that Trump's goal is to escalate and take advantage of the situation.

But the fact that LA and cities like it accept a high level of lawlessness and destruction of property as "normal" already casts doubt on their willingness or ability to handle the situation.

Their recent track record is not good when it comes to law and order, and people living there deserve to not live in danger or fear of mob destruction.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by falcor84 »

jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #631
falcor84 wrote: post #570

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> the enemies of the state tend to become the people Wait, don't you mean that "the people become the enemies of the state"? Or did I miss some jab at immigrants?

It means that if you use the military to police, the military looks at people and sees enemies.

But it's still reversed - it's as if you said "the successful tend to become those who persevere". Are you perhaps translating the grammar from another language?
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