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Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by anonzzzies »

killerstorm wrote: post #893
anonzzzies wrote: post #514

So does openai know how to widen the context window without it taking more money? Otherwise Google wins, again. And this is all boring. Gemini 2.5 pro preview where you can just insert all files you have and actually it doesn't compress and has it in memory is just what you want. All the compression tricks etc really are shit compared. 32k input tokens is a joke now once you tried this. As in bearish on openai if the…

Full attention to 1M context is nonsense. Yes, Gemini can do needle-in-haystack, but do you actually need to feed 1M tokens to find one thing? People who have a lot of experience with using LLM for code generation claim that performance degrades past certain point, even if all context is somewhat-relevant. What we need is not "long context", we need memory: ability for LLM to address datasets of arbitrary size. RAG h…

Our company has development documents, guidelines, api's going back almost 20 years. If you follow them, life is good, if you don't, things don't work. The 20 years is relevant because this is a lot of text + code. When we give this to o3, o4-mini, claude 3.5/7 it just ignores rules randomly; when we give it to gemini 2.5 pro preview, it just works. And after prompting multiple times in chat, the other models just start going into complete nonsense land. We often have cases where it even starts generating code in python while we were working in TS; apparently it compressed it's context so much it forget the actual basics? Not gemini. Haven't been able to mess it up in any practical case yet, which is why, maybe erroneously, attributed that to the context.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by basisword »

TeeWEE wrote: post #537

Wow Sam Altman is so full of himself... I would never want to work for this narcist. Just watch this video. https://x.com/sama/status/1925242282523103408

I agree the first minute or two of this was very cringe. I stuck with it though and it reminded me very much of the kind of talk that was common in the late '00s tech scene. Sort of nice to see that kind of optimism again.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by dcchambers »

yalogin wrote: post #398

This is the only play for OpenAI. The AI service is going to be commoditized very very quickly and their moat will be gone. They will be doing vertical integration and push into everything. If people complained apple and google looked at apps and copied the functionality themselves what OpenAI will do will be much worse. Also when it took apple and google years to do it, OpenAI will do it very very quickly, in a year…

Their technical moat is already gone.

Their remaining moat is basically captured developer mindshare/inertia. That is important, but given how easy it is to swap out back-end models, and how good other models are - ultimately cost is going to win. And it's currently a race to the bottom in pricing.

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by osigurdson »

latexr wrote: post #850
mlindner wrote: post #820

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And even people that some people decry as bad and terrible people (for example Elon Musk) still can make amazing leaders that people will willingly drop everything to go work for and who leads them on to achieve great things.

Be careful not to confuse “great leader” with “cult leader”. A great leader is someone who cares about you and helps you surface the best version of yourself. They understand there is a person behind the work and don’t neglect the human side. They mention the team behind projects when talking about successes and don’t blame others for failures. A cult leader is someone with a hypnotic personality who puts themselves…

What would you call a leader that puts the objective ahead of everything else, including employees and themselves? I think that more closely aligns with people that have been very successful.

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Post by shafyy »

osigurdson wrote: post #929
KolibriFly wrote: post #864

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Altman clearly has vision and a sense for where the puck is going with AI, but being a design editor is something else entirely

For me, OpenAI's venture into AI adjacent things (Windsurf, JI's company), is a signal that they are no longer seriously pursuing AGI.

They never seriously persued AGI. It's all a hype, a scam. When will people finally understand this?

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Post by agos »

gnatolf wrote: post #927
minimaxir wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The quotes at the bottom are funny because they have a share link which implies that Sam and Jony thought they were insightful enough that people would want to actively share them. Even in the extreme tech crowd, who would share those?

My reaction was just the same, but look at gruber: https://daringfireball.net/linked/2025/05/21/sam-and-jony-io and gruber is stirring up drama about why his links don't do well on hn.

> It conveys grand ambition, but without pretension.

I wonder how it is possible that a human watches that video and will think they don't convey pretension

Re: OpenAI to buy AI startup from Jony Ive

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Post by basisword »

Bjorkbat wrote: post #669

A while back someone here on Hacker News made a pretty insightful comment that as great of a designer as Jony Ive is, a large part of his success is owed to the fact that he had an "editor" in the form of Steve Jobs. Once Jobs passed, he no longer really had an editor. It remains to be seen whether Sam Altman / OpenAI in general will be a good editor

I don't think that's true. Apple Watch? Market leading product. Took something very nerdy and made it fashionable enough that people from all walks of life wear it. Got the form factor so right that even a decade later it has changed very little. Of course there were missteps in the quest for thinness with the laptops but I still preferred my Touch Bar MacBook Pro to any non-Apple laptop I've ever used. If that's the worst he did, that's still better than almost anyone else.
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