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Post by smsm42 »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #675
shipscode wrote: post #126

The take on 4chan on here is super intriguing. I always felt that the current social media/doomscroll/memesharing landscape which has become so common worldwide is indiscernable and in some ways worse than 4chan. It feels like 4chan left it's homepage and went worldwide sometime in the early 2010s when iPhone-style phone use became more commonplace. I remember that 4chan users had more honor than users on the interne…

4chan will always be superior than modern social media to me, for one very simple reason: all posts are anonymous and there is no voting/ranking. Each and every post must stand alone and be judged alone. You do not know if it was posted by someone you hate or adore. It doesn't get hidden or promoted based on what a bubble voted. You see the post and you must judge it alone.

This is good sometimes but also horrible sometimes, because reputation exists for a reason. It's a filter, and if you have terabytes of information around which has mostly garbage quality you need filters if you want to make it useful. Of course, reputation does not solve the problem entirely, but at least it makes some steps towards the solution. Otherwise, you're basically on your own against the ocean of garbage, and not many people can really handle that.

Re: 4chan Sharty Hack And Janitor Email Leak

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Post by ren_engineer »

canjobear wrote: post #558
ren_engineer wrote: post #400

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/g/ was the origin of Chain of Thought for AI, also where llama weights were first leaked

> /g/ was the origin of Chain of Thought for AI Is this documented?

Gwern talked about it when GPT 4.5 came out, a ton of breakthroughs with image and text AI came from anons trying to optimize models for their waifus. That's basically the origin of chat models in general - https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/1izpgct/comment/mf5...

Re: 4chan Sharty Hack And Janitor Email Leak

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Post by smsm42 »

amadeuspagel wrote: post #241
shipscode wrote: post #126

The take on 4chan on here is super intriguing. I always felt that the current social media/doomscroll/memesharing landscape which has become so common worldwide is indiscernable and in some ways worse than 4chan. It feels like 4chan left it's homepage and went worldwide sometime in the early 2010s when iPhone-style phone use became more commonplace. I remember that 4chan users had more honor than users on the interne…

"Not your personal army" goes father then not doxxing. It's a rejection of any attempt to imagine a community of strangers, united by hatred of a scapegoat.

> united by hatred of a scapegoat.

United by hatred of a scapegoat that they didn't choose on a random whim or due to some common agenda. Otherwise it's completely fine.

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Post by fwip »

ogurechny wrote: post #914
fwip wrote: post #903

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You're saying that the demographics of 4chan is roughly similar to most any site on the internet?

Well, everyone who wanted to join was able to do it. Constant media attention informed everyone and the dog about it.

Sure, everyone who wanted to join, could. That doesn't mean that the same kind of people want to join orstick around. Even sites like Twitter and Facebook have pretty different userbases, despite being pretty similar.

Re: 4chan Sharty Hack And Janitor Email Leak

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Post by smsm42 »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #540
shipscode wrote: post #126

The take on 4chan on here is super intriguing. I always felt that the current social media/doomscroll/memesharing landscape which has become so common worldwide is indiscernable and in some ways worse than 4chan. It feels like 4chan left it's homepage and went worldwide sometime in the early 2010s when iPhone-style phone use became more commonplace. I remember that 4chan users had more honor than users on the interne…

Multiple white supremacist mass shooter have been 4chan users and they cheered on the Buffalo shooter who was live updating during his murder spree: https://www.thetrace.org/newsletter/4chan-moderation-buffalo... The christchurch shooter was a 4chan regular https://theconversation.com/christchurch-terrorist-discussed... The whole "boogaloo" white nationalist/supremacist movement started on 4chan: https://www.splcente…

This is a cheap bait - of course when there's a small number of leniently moderated popular platforms, there will eventually be a high-profile criminal that would use one of them, because a) that what "popular" means and b) anti-social types would gravitate to more leniently moderated platforms. And of course on the same platforms there would be online edglelords that would make sure to cheer whatever causes the most offense, because that's what they are there for. If you close 4chan, there would be another platform that would become focus of the same people - because the people focus on the platform, not the platform causes the people to become bad. The press that tried to frame it the way which reverses the cause and the effect is doing you a disservice, and you may want to consider using a better source of information. If, of course, you are interested in understanding the causes and the effects of things, not just feeling good by having your preconceptions confirmed.

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Post by robertlagrant »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #900
chasd00 wrote: post #781

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Government software of those types are some of the worst on the planet.

Other than, you mean, the next best option of break things and ruin peoples lives in the process because it fits the current software development paradigms? I'm old, I've seen 'the new right way' come then become 'the worst way of doing things on the planet' over at least 5 iterations now.

> the next best option of break things and ruin peoples lives in the process

Lots of software works very well. Including Facebook's, where "move fast and break things" was coined, I believe, which is some of the most scalable and reliable on the planet.

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Post by atq2119 »

axus wrote: post #807
vanschelven wrote: post #688

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Reminds me of Bill Gates & GM (apparently discredited though) https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/car-balk/

7. Oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single 'general car default' warning light. ... 10. Occasionally, for no reason, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grabbed the radio antenna. 11. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of road maps from Rand-McNally (a subsidiary…

Ironically, that last point has come true!

(Though to be fair, the button tends to be labeled both start and stop)

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

robertlagrant wrote: post #936
_DeadFred_ wrote: post #900

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Other than, you mean, the next best option of break things and ruin peoples lives in the process because it fits the current software development paradigms? I'm old, I've seen 'the new right way' come then become 'the worst way of doing things on the planet' over at least 5 iterations now.

> the next best option of break things and ruin peoples lives in the process Lots of software works very well. Including Facebook's, where "move fast and break things" was coined, I believe, which is some of the most scalable and reliable on the planet.

Very well isn't good enough when peoples lives/the continuous functioning of society is at stake.

Facebook had a shit ton of teething problems. If social security/Medicaid has teething problems, people die. If Social Security has teething problems, people can't eat/pay rent/property tax, they get kicked out, their credit is ruined, and they can't qualify for new housing. Miss medication. Die. A little different than a blank page on Facebook. Facebook is also 'optional', and people can use other things to replace it. Society has committed to people over their entire lifetimes on Social Security/Medicaid. America should honor it's commitments, even when it's a little bit harder/inconvenient/more expensive. Especially when at the same time it's making 4 trillion dollar optional tax cuts instead of honoring it's promises to it's people.

Should blood bank typing software move fast and break things? Should your bank move fast and break things? Should your car's anti-lock braking system software move fast and break things? But the funds people depend on to live (Medicaid pays for the majority of nursing homes for the elderly, Social Security is many people's entire retirement income) should?

I disagree that that is how the United States should treat it's 'use cases' and 'constraints' in serving it's citizens/honoring it commitments.

And unlike Facebook, the current systems have actually worked for decades. How many times has Social Security needed a major uplift?

Now compare that to how often Facebook has had to overhaul its tech stack.

Lastly, for your comparison to work, you are claiming you are willing to fund government tech on the same level that Facebook funds their tech (otherwise the comparison makes no sense). Are you REALLY saying you are willing to fund government software development at the same expense level as Facebook? That's $60 billion and $65 billion in 2025 alone.

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Post by DrillShopper »

busterarm wrote: post #413
_345 wrote: post #238

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it is, and unfortunately from 2016 onwards it kind of outgrew the rest of the site like a tumorous growth until the whole site became markedly more neonazi and less goofy. something to do with donald trump i suspected

the fash trend on /pol/ died somewhere around 2018 and has shifted significantly radleft in the years since. This is misunderstood by outsiders largely because /pol/ users don't actually hold these opinions, they just will represent whatever is the edgiest opinion at any given time. And despite things like shooting pharma executives in broad daylight being mainstream now, /pol/lacks rightly recognize that this is sti…

> This is misunderstood by outsiders largely because /pol/ users don't actually hold these opinions, they just will represent whatever is the edgiest opinion at any given time.

There is no functional difference between the two, especially to the groups this behavior harms.

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

6LLvveMx2koXfwn wrote: post #414
ethbr1 wrote: post #249

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As the quip goes, there are two hard problems in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors.

That's three though.

This has to be the most hilarious comment I've ever seen on HN.
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