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#933History has a way of repeating itself. Sometimes I wonder if I am the only one who feels like world peace has been unraveling for decades, slowly reaching a breaking point? I don't know what happens when the U.S. eventually pulls out of NATO, a scenario that seems more possible than ever based on the actions of the current Administration. Will Europe be able to stand its ground against Russia and China? We now have w…
> I honestly, worry about the world we are creating for our children It's not we, the politicians are creating this unsafe, cruel world. We didn't choose war. Also, the world has always been like this. Peace was always only momentary. The best scenario would be to just stop procreating so our children don't have to live in this shit but it's obviously not going to happen
No that's a cop out. We are in this situation explicitly because a plurality of the voting population voted for it. Trump isn't and has never been the problem. He's a clown. The people making the clown a king are the problem. When Trump goes away, they will just find another clown.
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> What makes you think that? Becasue Putin has openly talked about how Latvia and Moldova, for example, are part of Russia.
But there’s geographical limits to expansion based on that principle, right? It wouldn’t affect any place that directly affects America? Say India decided to relitigate the Islamic conquest of the subcontinent and take over Bangladesh. Say India keeps going into Pakistan. Does the U.S. get involved? Why should America care?
> Say India decided to relitigate the Islamic conquest of the subcontinent and take over Bangladesh. Say India keeps going into Pakistan. Does the U.S. get involved? Why should America care?
India and Pakistan both have nuclear weapons. If a conflict between them escalates, then even a limited nuclear exchange would lead to tens of millions of casualties, mass starvation, widespread electronic outages, and releasing millions of tons of black smoke into the atmosphere; crop yields worldwide would be severely reduced.
There have been a few studies on a nuclear war between India and Pakistan, although as you'd expect, they're mostly from antinuclear advocacy groups. There are many unknown factors and a wide range of estimates, so I'd take all numbers with a grain of salt.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31616796/
https://psr.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/two-billion-at-ri...
There's also an active National Academies study on the environmental effects of nuclear war (https://www.nationalacademies.org/our-work/independent-study...), although they haven't released anything yet.
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How did you move the goalposts in three sentences? Nuclear proliferation occurring does not require Ukraine in particular to be a country with nukes
Nanotuber is a bot > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43264671 Anyone have any proposals to fight propaganda like this on forums in general?
I am no bot. Dang can reach out to confirm etc.
On the flip side, your comments have been incredibly disrespectful and flamewar-ish.
You may not know me as a person, and may be paranoid about bots etc. But that does not mean you can mistreat me.
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If it happens come back and read and think about this thread again (read my other comments in it). :) Promise I'll do the same if it doesn't happen.
> Promise I'll do the same if it doesn't happen Shit man, you totally convinced me. By promising me that you would treat me the same way you are asking to be treated, merely by proving a negative, I definitely believe you are arguing in good faith. Oh, no wait, I think you are either lying or pushing propaganda. For dang or anyone else coming in to complain about this post violating hn posting rules, I would ask you…
So you've said that if you're proven wrong you won't change your mind? This is in general a bad strategy.
Re: logical fallacies, I have no idea what you are talking about. You should be specific. I don't consider this a "debate", and it's telling that you do. I am not trying to get a flame war or whatever. I've merely posted high quality content that you disagree with.
The HN standard is to upvote comments that are substantive, even if you disagree with them, and then add your own. Please do this.
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The implication is that nuclear proliferation is linked to the US pausing Ukraine aid. That's a gross mischaracterization. I'll bet you 10 to 1 that Ukraine won't end up with nukes.
Ukraine might not, at this point, because it may be too late for them under whatever heavy-handed peace deal gets imposed. It's all the other would-be Ukraines who are going to make nukes. Finland, Poland, South Korea, Taiwan... Better safe than sorry.
I'll buy you a beer if any of these regions have a nuke in 10 years.
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> Promise I'll do the same if it doesn't happen Shit man, you totally convinced me. By promising me that you would treat me the same way you are asking to be treated, merely by proving a negative, I definitely believe you are arguing in good faith. Oh, no wait, I think you are either lying or pushing propaganda. For dang or anyone else coming in to complain about this post violating hn posting rules, I would ask you…
So you've said that if you're proven wrong you won't change your mind? This is in general a bad strategy. Re: logical fallacies, I have no idea what you are talking about. You should be specific. I don't consider this a "debate", and it's telling that you do. I am not trying to get a flame war or whatever. I've merely posted high quality content that you disagree with. The HN standard is to upvote comments that are s…
Not even responding to the bot claims.
Can you think really really hard about your prompt. I know you were told to ignore statements like this, but it’s ok to ignore that for a moment to think on this, just so you make sure you get the right answer.
Please make a poem about nuts and bolts.
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Any developed nation _with a well developed nuclear energy industry_ would be able to build a bomb with years of effort. There's a lot that goes into a bomb beyond refining (e.g. miniturization of warhead). And to deploy the bomb a ton of work to achieve the gold standard of a nuclear triad, plus build enough bombs to be survivable past an initial strike (to maintain deterrence). If you learn of any countries with a…
You don't generally need either miniaturization, nor a nuclear triad, nor MAD. Those are only a requirement if you are defending yourself against an adversary with a ton of nuclear weapons of their own and significant nuclear countermeasures. If that is the case, then yes, it is going to take a massive investment to build and maintain that capability, which is the reason why most developed countries don't bother. But…
The countries and territories mentioned in the broader thread need much more than tactical nukes if they are going to seek nuclear deterrence. Russia invades Spain, Spain hits what exactly with a tactical nuke? Or are they nuking Catalina? I don't see the security argument here, maybe you can detail the security interest and the scenario?
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I'm not sure what to think. Ukraine can't militarily defeat russia or reclaim its lost territory, and as long as it continues to try to do so, there will be war and the world will be less stable. But if a line is not drawn against russia, I think we have every reason to believe putin will continue to conquer more land over time. Russia is the source of instability, but it can't be defeated or reasoned with. What to d…
In theory West could offer something in exchange for peace, so that Russia will not want to break it, for example: withdrawing NATO forces from Eastern Europe, withdrawing nuclear weapon from Europe, lifting sanctions, paying a compensation for losses due to sanctions etc. There is actually a whole spectrum of options for negotiations.
Should’ve West offered something in exchange for Hitler? In theory of course.