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Re: TSMC expected to announce $100B investment in U.S.

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> If the servers are on the island, my understanding is that they'll be fine. Taiwan doesn't have a huge data center capacity. A lot of services are in Hong Kong, Tokyo, Singapore, etc... Of the big clouds e.g. AWS is only opening a data center later this year. It's also not so simple. Even local servers / services might have all sorts of "needs" to phone "home" elsewhere e.g. for analytics. A lot of software might n…

You seem to believe that military networks are slapped together with off-the-shelf SaaS apps, or that military software contracts don't specify that all that "e.g. for analytics" crap has to be pulled out of the build, or that they don't test these things regularly. Have you ever worked on a military contract? Or even just a regular government contract? It's a whole other type of sales, contracting, and fulfillment p…

> Have you ever worked on a military contract? Or even just a regular government contract?

Yes

> You seem to believe that military networks are slapped together with off-the-shelf SaaS apps

You seem to believe I was talking specifically about the military. Taiwan isn't Ukraine. China has infiltrated the every day lives etc over the years. It's not unified.

The chaos just from the everyday citizens, protests, etc might cause enough trouble for the military / government. Those aren't "air-gapped".

Re: TSMC expected to announce $100B investment in U.S.

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> If the servers are on the island, my understanding is that they'll be fine. Taiwan doesn't have a huge data center capacity. A lot of services are in Hong Kong, Tokyo, Singapore, etc... Of the big clouds e.g. AWS is only opening a data center later this year. It's also not so simple. Even local servers / services might have all sorts of "needs" to phone "home" elsewhere e.g. for analytics. A lot of software might n…

Why would this have any strategic impact on Taiwan's capacity to defend itself?

Defending isn't just about outside forces. There are internal 1s too.

There have been plenty of polls / surveys and it isn't united. Lots of people living there were originally from China or have some relationship to it.

Ukraine put up a mostly unified front and managed to do so for so long. Not every place can or will.

Despite what the US media keeps making of it, China isn't all evil nor does >50% of Taiwan think this way.

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China doesn't want Taiwan for TSMC. They want Taiwan because they see them as a rebellious province. In their mind, the Chinese civil war never ended and that island is the last bastion of the Kuomintang. One way I've heard it described in a way that is easier for Americans to understand is; Imagine at the end of the American Civil War, a confederate army retreated to an island like Cuba or Hawaii, they took it over…

> They want Taiwan because they see them as a rebellious province. We can argue about what the exact desire is - there's 100M people in the CCP - we'll probably never know an exact answer. The important thing is - China is willing to spend a LOT more money to take Taiwan than it is economically worth. So this idea that 1) China wants Taiwan for chips, 2) War would cost more than chips, 3) Therefore, Taiwan is logical…

> They're not fighting that war to make money. They're fighting that war because a bunch of dick bags got together in a room and decided it was expedient for them for millions of people to lose their lives.

Please stop saying things like this. It doesn't help anyone.

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Taiwan is 3x more prosperous per capita. PRC just has a lot more people.

So Norway and maybe Monaco are more successful than the US?

Norway, probably yes. Their population is more educated, and their civil society much better functioning than the UK. Their society is less unequal and (I’m pretty sure) their quality of life figures would be higher. Monaco is just a tax wheeze and playground.

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China doesn't want Taiwan for TSMC. They want Taiwan because they see them as a rebellious province. In their mind, the Chinese civil war never ended and that island is the last bastion of the Kuomintang. One way I've heard it described in a way that is easier for Americans to understand is; Imagine at the end of the American Civil War, a confederate army retreated to an island like Cuba or Hawaii, they took it over…

There is no “reason” or justification. The decision to invade has already been made, all these explanations exist for the sole purpose of making it easier to do nothing about it when the invasion happens. Chinese people feel they way they are taught to feel. China's fundamental argument distilled to its most pure form is "we are strong enough to do this, what are you going to do about it?" A world where the strong do…

its a world of occasional regional nuclear exchange

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The idea that the US protects Taiwan from a possible Chinese invasion over chips is one of those things that sounds believable but really isn't going to happen. From China’s perspective, the cost of war is much higher than the cost of developing these chips themselves. In the worst-case scenario, they would be 2-3 years behind the cutting edge, which is not mission-critical. Most electronics (civilian or military) do…

Is there a name for this argumentation "there are three options 2 are obvious nonsense so whatever i dream up in the third one must be true"? Kind of like no true scotsman...

There are a lot more options than these 3 - especially related to the middle one - that would play out differently

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Bingo! Trying to assign reason to emotional decisions is like reading tea leaves. And we're all subject to these emotional forces.

On the contrary - i don't see the value in playing couch psychoanalyst when there's a perfectly legit realpolitik reason available.

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All of Europe hates the US now. Same with Canada. Just ask any of your foreign friends

Russia is a part of Europe and loves the US (or at least Trump) right now.

Well, you got me there

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I don't think they were equating the US to North Korea (where is China mentioned?), but saying that since the US can no longer be relies on for protection (instead of the sheriff we're at best the anti-hero that will maybe protect you if there's something in it for us). This means countries need to put up a stronger front themselves since there's no larger stabilizing force to rely on. It's interesting, because I'm s…

Agreed that stability is super important. So much so in fact that you’d think more rich countries would help pay to maintain it. But yet here we are…

US didn't want other countries to have a large military ( which includes nuclear with a Russian neighbour) power.

Germany didn't want that role too, as one of the biggest economies in Europe, because of... History.

Germany just enabled 1 trillion in spending for the military. That's historical

1,7 trillion of the Norway fund will be enabled ( partially ofc), that's entire Russia's GDP alone.

Re: TSMC expected to announce $100B investment in U.S.

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post #314

The idea that the US protects Taiwan from a possible Chinese invasion over chips is one of those things that sounds believable but really isn't going to happen. From China’s perspective, the cost of war is much higher than the cost of developing these chips themselves. In the worst-case scenario, they would be 2-3 years behind the cutting edge, which is not mission-critical. Most electronics (civilian or military) do…

The stand off is the point. It gives nationalistic talking points to the government leaders, and a reason to write big checks to defense contractors.
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