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Musk-led group makes $97B bid for control of OpenAI

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I wish I could get paid $50bn to have a mental breakdown.

I remember when we thought we could just pay Trump 1-2 billion to go away. That would've been a good deal and is cheap in retrospect. And maybe Biden should have pardoned him immediately to kick the can down the road on SCOTUS deciding to allow Presidential immunity.. It probably would've happened anyway but it would've given the project2025 and Thiel libertarians less time to organize.

Didn't work for Neville Chamberlain, I don't think it would have worked for us.

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> "financial terrorist" As a thought experiment, I like to wonder what would be the maximal amount of damage to humanity an extremely wealthy person could do entirely legally. Or if not damage, just trolling. For instance, writing X on the moon or something like that.

> I like to wonder what would be the maximal amount of damage to humanity an extremely wealthy person could do entirely legally. We seem to be watching this in real time. Musk bought influence over the US president, gained access to critical US systems, and is about to benefit from the EO pausing of enforcement of law banning bribes to foriegn nationals. He bought power. He is buying more power. We are watching a sup…

The next Bond movie is going to be historic... Honestly I preferred it when he was considered the next Iron Man.

I dunno maybe that asteroid is coming and we need his rockets and mass distraction.

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Dem handling of the Palestine situation went extremely badly for them.

There was no good way to handle it, Pro-Palestinian propaganda was very active, to a significantly larger extent than it is now.

Russia probably played a role in that.

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We'll see. After throwing out a few Nazi salutes, Tesla sales have been tanking in Europe.

Or the press pretending that it was a nazi salute, outrage sells.

It WAS a Nazi salute, and claiming otherwise is textbook gaslighting.

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Why shouldn't he buy everything? He bought the U.S. (sarcasm, I hope)

OTOH, everything Trump threatens is an invitation to bribery.

And when it starts to go south for him, Elon's going under the bus, not to re-engineer them.

Trump's dream is to be the richest man in the world. Someone is in the way as soon as his hatchet man job is done. Nothing has any meaning to Trump but money.

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I can’t agree that his bad behaviour vindicates other bad behaviour. Checks and balances would be a far better solution than what was done to Ma. We should never consider a state manipulating politics so forcefully to be vindicated because someone seeks to exploit the state. It vindicates the very systems Musk seeks to destroy, showing the USA needs strong and more assertive checks and balances. I think I see what yo…

What "check" or "balance" do we have for someone not even in government? He is now but he wasn't before the inauguration. Feel free to propose the check or balance if it doesn't already exist.

You're right, this is a very difficult question to answer, and I don't have a clear answer for myself either.

My intuition here is that ANY private citizen acting without authority derived from a due process, or the necessary clearance, is breaking the law and needs to be arrested. Full stop. It bewilders me that Musk wasn't apprehended before he was given special permission to do what he was doing. This was blatant evasion of democracy and potentially harmful to hundreds of millions of people, and harmful to democracy itself. It sets an incredible precedent.

The check or balance that appears to be missing, I suppose, is the one where people feel they have the agency or ability at all to identify this type of nefarious behaviour and report it to an entity which can act to rectify it, independently of the president. Trump has enabled this every step of the way, and ultimately, any attempt to fix this likely would have been defused by him as well.

I'm not sure what citizens can do, or how exactly the institution should protect itself in the future. But there are many historical parallels to what's happening here, and inaction on citizens' parts is certainly a large component. Too many people are failing to stand in the way. Part of the solution is making it possible to do so. They step aside because the consequences, especially in the USA (with leaders who blatantly seek to purge their opposition), are far too great for an individual to absorb.

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Sam Harris has some of the best, arguably more constructive, critiques of Elon. I guess they used to be some degree of friendly with each other, exchanging text messages and such, but that has since ended. I’ve generally found his take on things fairly insightful and worth hearing out. I know some people can’t stand him, and I don’t agree with him about everything, but I think it leaves you with a decent sense of wha…

I'll have to find the commentary by Sam Harris, I think it'd be interesting. I thought this post by Philip Low, founder of NeuroVigil, a Neuralink competitor, was very insightful and interesting: https://www.linkedin.com/feed/update/urn:li:activity:7288439...

That is very interesting, thank you. It fits into the narrative I've seen constructed remarkably well. I suspect that these people have assessed Musk accurately, and he really is a mess of a person. Aren't we all, in some way or another.

That's entirely forgivable, until you give a broken person immense power and influence. He's extremely dangerous.

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> It's seems so much more political and radicalized now. It's more politicized.. now ? More politicized than when literal politicians and three letter agencies were determining what should and shouldn't trend? How can anyone say that?

I mean, non-conservative opinions are pretty bland. The apparent MAGA strategy of burning it all down, well… I’ll say it’s very, very noticable.

Or perhaps you are blind to how outrageous non-conservative opinions can be?

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Elon's response: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889062013109703009 > Swindler In another tweet chain: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1889063777792069911 > Scam Altman

wow I had no idea the level of discourse on that x website was so low, has it always been like this?

Your question is loaded with a harsh generalization. The level of discourse at best can be generalized to a person, not to all people on a website.

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I stopped going to Twitter often, but since Elon's tweets always appear in my notifications, they frequently are one or two words. Yes I know I can mute. But the settings can get reset and this has happened several times.

You forgot one of the best options: ignoring social media altogether.

This is true. For the most part I do.

But unfortunately I'm not aware of a better way to be in the academic/research community. Twitter and BlueSky are where the conversations are happening. These do more for paper discovery than things like Google Scholar, Semanitic Scholar, and elsewhere. Not to mention that posts tend to have additional context that is often left out of works, making it easier to bridge into topics that are not in my niche.

The other unfortunate part, is that I too have to advertise my own work and myself to the community. The work is not enough. There's an easy to observe strong correlation between the number of citations I get and the amount of publicity my works get, with the latter strongly influenced by the efforts of myself and others in the research team. Though recognizing this, it does enable me to find a lot of hidden gems. Works that are often rejected and unnoticed because they are not from big research teams.

So far the pros outweigh the cons, well... at least for BlueSky. I can't say the same about Twitter and I'd wish more people would move over. Smaller communities have a lot of advantages.

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