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Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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I gave up social media for this reason. EVERYTHING is so politicised and agenda-centric on all platforms and news sites. It was effecting me really badly, to the point that I made the decision to leave the room when the news is playing, switch to a dumb phone, switch to an mp3 player, and get rid of all social media including reddit. So I don’t use a smartphone, and don’t carry it with me day-day. On my laptop I even…

You're not alone, there's dozens of us.

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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It's not pointless at all- it's the core idea behind Stoic philosophy aka "the dichotomy of control," and has proven very effective at improving people's mental health through modern therapy methods like CBT and ACT. One can still do everything in their power to prepare for, and mitigate things outside their control, while still keeping in mind what is in your control and isn't so you don't become emotionally depende…

You do have influence. How much is up to your ingenuity and effort. You may choose not to exercise it.

Of course you do, that's the whole point: to focus on what you actually can control- your own actions, which absolutely includes using your own ingenuity and effort to influence things for the better.

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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So your argument to not engaging is that my argument isn’t sufficiently updated to the onslaught of news today? RFK passed committee yesterday . Trump planning to use our military for a middle east genocide isn’t something that I should worry about?!? Where were you on 9/11?

Will worrying stop Trump? I believe that is the overarching point here. Stressing over things you can't/won't impact is largely a waste of time and energy. Your worry wont help Gaza.

Worrying is a precursor for planning and action. I have agency. We all do. Sad that you squander yours.

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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"No matter what you believe, I’m willing to bet you’ve been feeling a lot of outrage lately."

Is it true that most people are feeling lots of outrage? Why?

The vibe I get from the left is outrage. The vibe I get from the right is relief and happiness. And the vibe of the likely-majority (i.e., the non-political) is probably just a desire to get on with life.

I can see there being lots of anxiety (e.g., over AI, automation, China-US relations, etc...). But anxiety is different from outrage.

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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"No matter what you believe, I’m willing to bet you’ve been feeling a lot of outrage lately." Is it true that most people are feeling lots of outrage? Why? The vibe I get from the left is outrage. The vibe I get from the right is relief and happiness. And the vibe of the likely-majority (i.e., the non-political) is probably just a desire to get on with life. I can see there being lots of anxiety (e.g., over AI, autom…

Social media, rage bait, politics are more polarized than ever before. Now it's basically like rooting for your favorite sports team.

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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> Get subscription of high value newspaper or magazine. Professionals work there, so you will get real facts, worthy opinions and less emotions. I struggle with this. It's incredibly challenging to find reliable, unbiased news sources these days, especially with the perceived slant of many major outlets. It's discouraging when even subscriptions to reputable publications like the NYT and WSJ leave you feeling like yo…

I’ve been sticking to the weekly edition of The Economist for years to stay informed while escaping the news cycle. The US coverage is remarkably good. The weekly cadence mean I’m often a week behind the news, but to me that’s a feature. The editorial pieces (those expressing “the opinion of the newspaper”) are kept separate as “Leaders” and I read them last, if it all; I usually read each issue back-to-front followi…

I years ago read The Economist, and found a characterization of "Fleet Street cocktail party" useful for anticipating distributions of expertise and dysfunction across topics.

I've not read it regularly, but some suggest the Financial Times.[1][2]

The NYT... sigh. "All the foreign bureaus have closed" (geographic and topical; so superficial, confused, and pre-framed); and "correctness is a local property attained by wordsmithing" - an apparent belief that bad reporting can be "fixed" by local tweaks, so sentences in isolation aren't utterly wrong, even if most readers without overriding expertise will still be left badly misled. After all, it's "news" not analysis. My daily reminder that "Journalism hasn't yet had the 'we suck at this' epiphany which sets up a field's many-decade struggle towards high reliability organization" - we know what a safety/reliability culture looks like, and journalism very isn't it.

[1] https://www.cjr.org/special_report/why-the-left-cant-stand-t... [2] https://www.ft.com/ https://news.google.com/search?q=financial%20times&hl=en-US&...

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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I don't have outrage fatigue. Outrages are outrages and they are what they are. Are there many exaggerations and fake outrages? Sure. But things like the USA's current constitutional crisis are real. What I struggle with isn't fatigue at outrage, it's knowing what to do about it. I think violence is going to become more common, but I don't particularly think it will be effective. So less so than outrage, it's the fee…

Work on government reform. Work on bringing power back to the people, implement direct, decentralized democracy. It might sound like a silly pipe dream. But it works extremely well in Switzerland and I promise it won't just work well where you live, your country will flourish.

Can you give some specific policy directions you are advocating so I can better understand what you mean?

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Stuff like the Thompson or Abe assassinations. That said, I think the why is more complicated. At least in the US I think there's a general sense that the world is backsliding, and that people feel like any bump on the road of life risks turning into a complete derailment. But this doesn't lead to any one particular ideology or course of action, so much as externalization of angst, whether against individuals, system…

for the record, not everyone in the US thinks the sky is falling. it's the same extremely vocal groups as before that do, from what i can see. Some of us are cautiously optimistic.

Think about the recipe we’re seeing: Trump is scaring off career civil servants and installing loyalists whose allegiance is to Trump before the Constitution. He’s ignoring court orders. This is not ok, even if you like some of the policies, because it is democratic decline. It is happening.

So all of us can figure out what we can do … whether it be staying sane, focusing our efforts where they matter, donating, … I don’t have a magic bullet. But this country is worth fighting for.

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Yeah "packed full" is probably a bit too heavy here. To pick a few examples though: - The nazi punching thread had several moderated comments ranked near the top which were presumably calls to violence. - The Mitch McConnal thread has many people looking forward to his death, hoping he goes to hell, and a few deleted comments. - A musk thread has "eat the rich" and storm the capitol. Not super highly ranked. I didn't…

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Calls to violence have no place in a civil society. Perhaps as a response to real, physical, violence it would be ok.

I also had trouble with all the far right wingers who kept talking about civil war.

Re: Avoiding outrage fatigue while staying informed

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Let me put it another way. Trump is likely to try many outrageous and unexpected things. As someone who tries to be non partisan, and isn't even american, I am fatigued by all of the claims that the world within the USA is ending. Whenever I take the time to examine any of the claims they tend to be fairly hollow or making slippery slope arguments. As an international user of reddit, there are many of us I presume, I…

> slippery slope arguments If we review democracies through history that have at some point become less democratic, I think describing the process of how that actually happens as being a slippery slope is quite apt. I’d say it’s more of a fallacy to assume that democracy is a secure default state of being rather than an ideal that we must collectively support or lose entirely—that we can safely “slip” a little withou…

Personally I enjoy slippery slope arguments which is why I didn't use the term fallacy. What I dislike is the reddit framing of having already slipped!
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