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Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by herbst » Sat, Jan 18, 2025, 9:10 AM UTC

throwaway199956 wrote: post #342

But why didn't Supreme Court find the first ammendment arguments compelling? As per first ammendment it is legal and protected to print/distribute/disseminate even enemy propaganda in the USA. Even at the height of cold war for example Soviet Publications were legal to publish, print and distribute in the USA. What changed now? Even a judge, Sotomayer said during this case that yes, the Government can say to someone…

Because America, obviously, needs their own great Firewall. I don't see any other reason. Also no idea what you are talking about, a country that has values like this doesn't ban random social media sites and propagates them as bad propaganda without evidence.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by Kiro » Sat, Jan 18, 2025, 9:17 AM UTC

graeme wrote: post #283

elzbardico wrote: post #181

This is going to be an interesting experiment: A widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content. Until now, the closest thing we had like this were national our regional networks like Russia's vk, but Vk was never truly popular outside Russian speaking countries. Now we, for the first time ever, will have the situation where a social network has global reach but without american content. Will it…

Tiktok is actually surprisingly national in how it serves its content. If you're outside the US you don't see most American accounts except the ones that go very viral. Edit: I should clarify. This might mean most content you see is English, if you're interested in English content. However it matters where the video was geographically uploaded from. If you upload a tiktok video and check the stats you'll see most vie…

Yeah, I never get any views from the US on my videos even though they are in English.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by popcalc » Sat, Jan 18, 2025, 9:19 AM UTC

fudged71 wrote: post #924

toddmorey wrote: post #643

Anyone here who's not a TikTok content creator reasonably upset about losing access to the platform? Can you tell me why it will sting for you? I was really surprised that my daughters (avid teenage TikTok users) are much more relieved than mad. Both said they wasted too much time on TikTok and were hoping life will now feel better. Seems the very thing that made the platform sticky puts it in a guilty pleasure categ…

As a millennial, I use TikTok as a “normie” version of Reddit. The algorithm has a similar vibe. It puts content in front of me that I’m likely to be interested in, exposing me to quite a diverse set of content. The instagram/youtube algorithms don’t come anywhere close in comparison. It’s a guilty pleasure in the dopamine sense, but also surfaces a lot of informative content if you bias towards that! I suppose it de…

Reddit is normie.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by montag » Sat, Jan 18, 2025, 9:23 AM UTC

throwawayq3423 wrote: post #721

elzbardico wrote: post #181

This is going to be an interesting experiment: A widely used social network across the world WITHOUT american content. Until now, the closest thing we had like this were national our regional networks like Russia's vk, but Vk was never truly popular outside Russian speaking countries. Now we, for the first time ever, will have the situation where a social network has global reach but without american content. Will it…

> Will we see internationalized Chinese content dominating it? This is a weird fantasy, but it brings up an interesting point. The complete lack of Chinese influence on global pop culture. Especially when compared to Japan or Korea, countries with a fraction of the population but many, many times the influence. I wish the CCP didn't wall off their citizens from the rest of the world in the name of protecting their ow…

Well, there's Three Body Problem (I watched the Chinese 三体 series) – but I guess the exception proves the rule.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by rhubarbtree » Sat, Jan 18, 2025, 9:32 AM UTC

spandrew wrote: post #674

toddmorey wrote: post #643

Anyone here who's not a TikTok content creator reasonably upset about losing access to the platform? Can you tell me why it will sting for you? I was really surprised that my daughters (avid teenage TikTok users) are much more relieved than mad. Both said they wasted too much time on TikTok and were hoping life will now feel better. Seems the very thing that made the platform sticky puts it in a guilty pleasure categ…

They'll be on RedNote within 2 weeks. Other's have said it; but TikTok was such a nice format for media. It emphasized what the creator can provide its users; what content was legit; entertaining, informative, etc. Whereas Instagram and FB are more about personal "branding". You post the best version of yourself and it's rewarded with engagement. Where on TikTok the emphasis is on the content; even creators I follow…

Reels surely will be the winner. That’s surely why Zuckerberg has courted Trump.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by navigate8310 » Sat, Jan 18, 2025, 9:49 AM UTC

spandrew wrote: post #674

toddmorey wrote: post #643

Anyone here who's not a TikTok content creator reasonably upset about losing access to the platform? Can you tell me why it will sting for you? I was really surprised that my daughters (avid teenage TikTok users) are much more relieved than mad. Both said they wasted too much time on TikTok and were hoping life will now feel better. Seems the very thing that made the platform sticky puts it in a guilty pleasure categ…

They'll be on RedNote within 2 weeks. Other's have said it; but TikTok was such a nice format for media. It emphasized what the creator can provide its users; what content was legit; entertaining, informative, etc. Whereas Instagram and FB are more about personal "branding". You post the best version of yourself and it's rewarded with engagement. Where on TikTok the emphasis is on the content; even creators I follow…

Bring back Vine, I guess

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by eleveriven » Sat, Jan 18, 2025, 10:06 AM UTC

rzz3 wrote: post #919

toddmorey wrote: post #643

Anyone here who's not a TikTok content creator reasonably upset about losing access to the platform? Can you tell me why it will sting for you? I was really surprised that my daughters (avid teenage TikTok users) are much more relieved than mad. Both said they wasted too much time on TikTok and were hoping life will now feel better. Seems the very thing that made the platform sticky puts it in a guilty pleasure categ…

Not a content creator, but a TikTok user for several years. I really feel like the app changed my life. It opened my world to new cultures and ideas, brought me out of my comfort zone, introduced me to several real life friends. I made big changes in my life as a direct result of TikTok and have improved my life and health significantly as a result. I’ll be really sad to see it go.

Just out of curiosity, how did the app improve your life?

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by eleveriven » Sat, Jan 18, 2025, 10:23 AM UTC

bastardoperator wrote: post #409

legitster wrote: post #119

TikTok is perhaps the most impressively addictive social media app ever created. The algorithm used in the US was apparently banned in China for being too addictive. There's a certain historic symmetry with how opium was traditionally used in China, then Britain introduced stronger, more disruptive versions, forcing a stronger social reaction. Geopolitics aside, I think everyone is kind of aware that social media is…

The government doesn't care about addictive anything, this is about control and access. If they cared about life or citizens in general they would fix healthcare and maybe introduce any kind of gun control. This is the same government that was slanging cocaine in the 1980's...

When I come to such conclusions about governments, I feel sad.

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by ohthehugemanate » Sat, Jan 18, 2025, 10:34 AM UTC

spandrew wrote: post #674

toddmorey wrote: post #643

Anyone here who's not a TikTok content creator reasonably upset about losing access to the platform? Can you tell me why it will sting for you? I was really surprised that my daughters (avid teenage TikTok users) are much more relieved than mad. Both said they wasted too much time on TikTok and were hoping life will now feel better. Seems the very thing that made the platform sticky puts it in a guilty pleasure categ…

They'll be on RedNote within 2 weeks. Other's have said it; but TikTok was such a nice format for media. It emphasized what the creator can provide its users; what content was legit; entertaining, informative, etc. Whereas Instagram and FB are more about personal "branding". You post the best version of yourself and it's rewarded with engagement. Where on TikTok the emphasis is on the content; even creators I follow…

Rednote is a fascinating experiment in T and C blindness. Just how far can you go in the terms? Put them in Mandarin worldwide? Apparently OK. Include a commitment to uphold the "12 core socialist values" of the Chinese government? OK. Include rules against criticizing the Chinese government, Chinese socialism, or Chinese interests? I guess that's OK too.

At what point will there be a reaction from industry? From government? I guess there's no reaction point for users. Would China or RedNote try to enforce any of this?

Re: Supreme Court upholds TikTok ban, but Trump might offer lifeline

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Post by cwkoss » Sat, Jan 18, 2025, 10:34 AM UTC

sircastor wrote: post #599

My wife and I are split on this, though neither of us are regular TikTok users. I keep coming across elected officials who are apparently briefed on something about TikTok, and they decide there’s a reasonable threat regarding the CCP or some such. The idea that the CCP could drive our national conversation somehow (still murky) bothers me. My wife feels like this is the US Government trying to shut down a communicat…

The "reasonable threat" is that TikTok prevented US leaders from being able to control the conversation around Palestine. Nearly half of the country has realized how insane sending tens of billions of dollars to fund genocide is, when previously it was unquestioned.