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Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by cush »

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

I did a quick test "Best air conditioner by value", comparing Bing and ChatGPT search, and the rankings on the first two pages of Bing vs sources on ChatGPT were about half the same. It's interesting that there is some deviation where ChatGPT isn't blindly trusting the rankings Bing provides and is going deeper into the results to find something more relevant. It's a good improvement over products like Arc Search.

Seeing search enter the space is something that I feel has been seriously needed, as I've slowly replaced Google with ChatGPT. I want quick, terse answers sometimes, not a long conversation, and have hundreds of tiny chats. But there's something scary seeing the results laid out the way they are, which leads me to believe they may be closer to experimenting with ad-based business models, which I could never go back to.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by mulmen »

randomNumber7 wrote: post #761
mulmen wrote: post #486

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If you can’t trust the result of a query how can you trust the check on that query which is itself a query? If no information is trustworthy how do you make progress?

By reasoning I know it hurts

How do you know your reasoning is sound?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by amorfusblob »

ho_schi wrote: post #390
wvenable wrote: post #286

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> Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? I think it's already compelling enough to replace the current paradigm. Search is pretty much dead to me. I have to end every search with "reddit" to get remotely useful results. The concern I have with LLMs replacing search is that once it starts being monetize…

Same here? Search means either: * Stackoverlow. Damaged through new owner but the idea lives. * Reddit. Google tries to fuck it up with „Auto translation“? * Gitlab or GitHub if something needs a bugfix. The rest of the internet is either an entire ****show or pure gold pressed latinum but hardly navigatable thanks to monopolies like Google and Microsoft. PS: ChatGPT already declines in answer because is source is St…

I've become so complacent these last 20 years. I wonder if I try to browse the web, will I stumble upon anything as awesome as the 1998 web scene was?

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by jedberg »

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

I'm not sure this is any different than any time before.

Before we had the internet, how did you answer questions? You either looked it up in a book, where you then had to make a judgment on whether you trusted the book, or you asked a trusted person, who could give you confidently wrong answers (your parents weren't right every time, were they? :) ).

I think the main difference here is that now anyone can publish, whereas before to make a book exist required the buy in of multiple people (of course, there were always leaflets).

The main difference now is distribution. But you still, as a consumer of information, have to vet your sources.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by krainboltgreene »

jerjerjer wrote: post #312
notatoad wrote: post #210

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>what are the latest versions of common programming languages and when were they released? is this a real question you needed an answer to, or a hypothetical you posed to test the quality of search results? of course you're going to get listicles for a query like that, because it sounds like a query specifically chosen to find low-quality listicles.

I honestly doubt there exist an actual reputable resource having it on a same page. Each language tracks their own latest version(s). Wikipedia tracks latest versions for a variety of software but it's on different pages.

Technically that list exists inside of the two big version managers!

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by barriteau »

freediver wrote: post #241

Been thinking about this a lot [1]. Will this fundamentally change how people find and access information? How do you create an experience so compelling that it replaces the current paradigm? The future promised in Star Trek and even Apple's Knowledge Navigator [2] from 1987 still feels distant. In those visions, users simply asked questions and received reliable answers - nobody had to fact-check the answers ever. C…

I think the 'Age of PageRank' could be revived. A few years ago I had this idea about a decentralized, distributed, independent, public, universal, dynamic and searchable directory of websites; I wrote a toy specification document for it [1] - which I had forgotten until reading this discussion - and if I'm not mistaken, implementing it could be a few days project for a regular dev.

[1] https://codeberg.org/Cipr/specification

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by phatfish »

halfcat wrote: post #867
the__alchemist wrote: post #856

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Neal Stephenson's book _Fall, or; Dodge in Hell_, from 2019, dedicates many words to this concept. Briefly summarized, it explores a post-truth-world, describing the world where people could agree on the truth as a narrow time-slice in history. People have their own individual internet filters, and the USA becomes divided into Afghanistan-etc-like tribes, each an echo chamber. (Ameristan)

In the book, “The Big Change” (1952), Frederick Allen talks about the year 1900, and (among many differences) he notes that for nearly everyone in the year 1900, the limits of their world rarely extended beyond their own town. We have this idea today that everyone online is getting trapped in echo chambers, but that’s been the case for most of human history.

This might be a popular contrarian view at the moment, but I'm not sure everyone is trapped in a bubble by social media.

When people mostly communicated with those in their own town that is a bubble. Radio and TV is more of a bubble because there is limited "bandwith" in the scheduling so it has to be editorialised (not necessarily a bad thing).

Social media companies do choose what you see via algorithms, but I'm not convinced they benefit from only showing you content you "agree" with, it feels like being shown a certain amount of content outside your "bubble" would increase screen time. There are also the comment sections that often have contradictory views.

Even social media (setting aside the rest of the internet for the moment) will expose you to more viewpoints than the the social circle in your home town, or a TV/Radio schedule. I'm not saying it is a healthy way to be exposed to other viewpoints, but I don't think the problem with social media is that is creates a bubble.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by schnable »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #909
FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #901

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Non-citizens cannot vote in FEDERAL elections, but some states allow them to vote in LOCAL elections. There are few more restrictions here: https://www.usa.gov/who-can-vote

It'd make sense if paying taxes gave you the right to vote. Taxation without representation and all that.

Non-citizens/residents are the juiciest targets for taxes (tourism taxes at hotels and whatnot, pumped up taxes on restaurants/alcohol)! This actually makes no sense at all.

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by gkfasdfasdf »

marckrn wrote: post #902
gkfasdfasdf wrote: post #893

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How did you find the extension? Searching the Chrome Web Store for 'SearchGPT' turns up a ton of third-party extensions, not made by OpenAI. Also, there doesn't appear to be a way to search by developer.

They presented the link in the ChatGPT interface. Maybe this was an A/B-test thing, idk.

sama agrees search for extensions not easy lol: https://x.com/sama/status/1852163907735162937

Re: ChatGPT Search

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Post by igravious »

some_furry wrote: post #41

So glad that we're boiling the ocean for this.

we're not boiling the ocean; neither literally nor (more crucially) metaphorically

it's okay, we're not destroying the world and you're not a better person because you purportedly care about what humans are supposedly doing to the world and because you think the rest of us don't

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