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Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by snoman »

geysersam wrote: post #684
lukev wrote: post #535

I really respect Apple's privacy focused engineering. They didn't roll out _any_ AI features until they were capable of running them locally, and before doing any cloud-based AI they designed and rolled out Private Cloud Compute. You can argue about whether it's actually bulletproof or not but the fact is, nobody else is even trying, and have lost sight of all privacy-focused features in their rush to ship anything a…

If you're so focused on privacy why don't you just use Linux? With Linux you'll actually get real privacy and you'll really truly own the system. Apple takes a 30% tax on all applications running on their mobile devices. Just let that sink in. We are so incredibly lucky that never happened to PC.

Which Linux?

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by _yb2s »

nkmskdmfodf wrote: post #764
lukev wrote: post #554

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Of course I wish the hardware were somehow more open, but to a large extent, it's directly because of hardware based privacy features. If you allowed third-party components without restraint, there'd be no way to prevent someone swapping out a component. Lock-in and planned obsolescence are also factors, and ones I'm glad the EU (and others) are pushing back here. But it isn't as if there are no legitimate tradeoffs.…

> to a large extent, it's directly because of hardware based privacy features. First, this is 100% false. Second, security through obscurity is almost universally discouraged and considered bad practice.

Security though obscurity is highly effective.

Think of some common sense physical analogies: a hidden underground bunker is much less likely to be robbed than a safe full of valuables in your front yard. A bicycle buried deeply in bushes is less likely to be stolen than one locked to a bike rack.

Without obscurity it is straightforward to know exactly what resources will be required to break something- you can look for a flaw that makes it easy and/or calculate exactly what is required for enough brute force.

When you add the element of well executed obscurity on top of an also strong system, it becomes nearly impossible to even identify that there is something to attack, or to even start to form a plan to do so.

Combining both approaches is best, but in most cases I think simple obscurity is more powerful and requires less resources than non obscure strength based security.

I’ve managed public servers that stayed uncompromised without security updates for a decade or longer using obscurity: an archaic old Unix OS of some type that does not respond to pings or other queries, runs services on non-standard ports, and blocks routes to hosts that even attempt scanning the standard ports will not be compromised. Obviously also using a secure OS with updates on top of these techniques is better overall.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by munksbeer »

For the gamers amongst you, do any of you game on your MacBook Pro Ms? If so, which one? Is there a noticeable difference in game quality between the M1 Pro vs M3 Pro for example?

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by prewett »

AdamJacobMuller wrote: post #672
aequitas wrote: post #635

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My previous Macbook was a Pro model from 2015, I waited 6 years to finally upgrade to an M1 Air because of the awful touchbar models they had in between (though I'm still using the 2015 Pro for personal stuff, in fact right now. It's upgraded to the latest macOS using OpenCore and it still runs great). But I would say upgrade every 3-5 years depending on heavy a professional user you are.

The touchbar was useful in one important way. Because it made the esc key useless for touch typists and because, as a vi user, I hit esc approximately a bazillion times per day I mapped caps lock to esc. Now my fingers don't travel as far to hit esc. I still use that mapping even on my regular keyboards and my current non-touch-bar macs. Thanks touchbar macs, rest in peace.

Ctrl-[ also works for ESC on VI.

I really like the touchbar Macs because changing the volume to exactly what I want is really easy. All the others have increments that are too large, so I have to try to remember if Shift + Opt + Volume Up/Down is what I want, or some other combination.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by macintosh-hd »

justin66 wrote: post #921
rad_gruchalski wrote: post #908

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What you see hostile to repair I see as not worth stealing. What you see as macOS dictating what you can run from where I see as an infiltration prevention.

They certainly are worth stealing. They get parted out and Apple's hostility towards making parts available means those stolen parts are worth more.

Except for when the valuable parts are software locked by activation lock and cannot be used in any other device.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by macintosh-hd »

BeefWellington wrote: post #900
reaperducer wrote: post #603

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How true is this when they devices are increasingly hostile to user repair and upgrades? I can neither repair nor upgrade my electric car, my furniture, or my plumbing. But they all still belong to me.

This is due to your capabilities as an individual, not the possibilities surrounding the items themselves.

You can also repair their devices yourself using their repair program, but only if you have the capabilities as an individual, so I don’t see your point.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by crest »

the_king wrote: post #593

The single core performance looks really fast. Chip | Geekbench Score (Process) ---- | ------------------------ M1 | 2,419 (5nm) M2 | 2,658 (5nm) M3 | 3,076 (3nm) M4* | 3,810 (3nm) In my experience, single-core CPU is the best all-around indicator of how "fast" a machine feels. I feel like Apple kind of buried this in their press release. M4 benchmark source: https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/8171874

Beware that some of the Geekbench number are the result of them suddenly gaining support for streaming SVE and SME just when Apple implements it.

I'm not doubting the number represent real peak throughput on M4. There is just a taste to the timing lining up so well. Also they don't take advantage of fully SVE2 capable ARM cores to compare how much a full SVE2 implementation would help especially at accelerating more algorithms than those that neatly map to streaming SVE and SME.

The single core performance gains of M4 variants over their predecessors are distorted, because the streaming SVE and SME are apparently implemented by combining what used to be them AMX units of four cores.

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Post by yborg »

baq wrote: post #188
rconti wrote: post #177

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It's so nice being able to advise a family member who is looking to upgrade their intel Mac to something new, and just tell them to buy whatever is out, not worry about release dates, not worry about things being out of date, and so on. The latest of whatever you have will be so much better than the intel one, and the next advances will be so marginal, that it's not even worth looking at a buyer's guide.

M3 Air with 16gb (base config as of today) is potentially a decade’s worth of computer. Amazing value.

Except Apple won't support it that long :/

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by a_vanderbilt »

matja wrote: post #491
xyst wrote: post #481

> … advanced 12MP … camera wot, m8? Only Apple will call a 12 megapixel camera “advanced”. Same MPs as an old iPhone 6 rear camera. Aside from that, it’s pretty much the same as the prior generation. Same thickness in form factor. Slightly better SoC. Only worth it if you jump from M1 (or any Intel mbp) to M4. Would be godlike if Apple could make the chip swappable. Buy a Mac Studio M2 Ultra Max Plus. Then just upgra…

Especially because pixel count is a meaningless metric by itself. 12MP is the same as a Nikon D3, which if it could replicate the results of I would be happy with!

Absolutely, I have a 1080p Logitech webcam that gives worse quality in anything other than perfect lighting, whereas my 720p Intel Mac Air webcam gives grainer (but at least usable) quality in most conditions. Sensor quality and software have to be good too or it's just a spec pissing contest.

Re: M4 MacBook Pro

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Post by [deleted] »

stouset wrote: post #851
lukev wrote: post #617

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End to end encryption by default, such that the cloud provider cannot access my data. Easy.

It’s honestly not worth engaging with the privacy fundamentalists. They are not arguing in good faith. Apple doesn’t run open hardware, and supports features users want that involve opening a network connection back home? Hard privacy fail.

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