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Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by rangestransform »

stiray wrote: post #826
FL33TW00D wrote: post #768

Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

Trust Is Built in Drops and Lost in Buckets Negativity? Yes Facebook was negative for 20ish years and as a result of their behavior technical people don't like them. This is not something, we are wrong about even if your "negativity here" silently suggests that. You reminded me of something, please read this article: https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/leave_my_br... It is helpful for becoming negative t…

facebook has not been negative, they notably refused to play ball with the antipoaching agreements with other big tech companies in the bay, and technical people such as myself greatly respect them for it

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by hathawsh »

JimDabell wrote: post #904
stiray wrote: post #878

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If you are android user, dont know about Apple, 3rd party applications are full of Facebook SDK, try installing https://github.com/M66B/NetGuard/releases (and pay author a coffee, he seriously deserves it) and check the domains apps are accessing. You might figure out you are Facebook user. Just nobody told you.

This was the point of App Tracking Transparency (ATT) on iOS. If an app embeds a third-party SDK that tracks you, such as the Facebook SDK, they are required to get your permission first with a system popup. They aren’t allowed to track you silently without your knowledge.

I would be very interested in learning how ATT compares with Firefox's Enhanced Tracking Protection. Does anyone know?

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by paul7986 »

PoignardAzur wrote: post #724
paul7986 wrote: post #428

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Apple selling a device that causes privacy issues (a camera always in your face as a non-user)..seems like a stretch. Facebook seems better aligned in that regards.

If we're talking "privacy concerns for the people the device is used on ", Apple already did that with AirTags.

Rather everyone not wearing Apple glasses and how they feel that's an invasion of privacy (a camera in their face everywhere they turn).

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Post by hinkley »

zer0zzz wrote: post #897
hinkley wrote: post #883

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The tech company that got Donald Trump elected, and helped make all of our grandparents into lunatics? That Facebook?

2017 called they want their meme back.

You remember that Facebook customer who got sued for breaking privacy agreements and profiling FB users? That’s the most public one.

Also the Russians sitting around posting on social media meme is still actively in use. I’ve seen it at least a handful of times this month

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by thomastjeffery »

wilsonnb3 wrote: post #32

Decent hands on article from the verge with more info https://www.theverge.com/24253908/meta-orion-ar-glasses-demo... Wireless compute puck. 70 degree FOV. Resolution high enough to read text. Wrist band detects hand gestures and will be used in another product.

> Micro LED Projectors

Is that true? Last time I was reading about holographic lenses, it was a flat white laser backlight fed into a waveguide (the hologram part), and filtered through an LCD. An actual LED projector would have darker darks, but I would much rather have a higher resolution..

It's definitely helpful to hear about the waveguide production problems. Obviously, that's going to be the greatest hurdle; after all, they are manufacturing a completely unique object with very small feature sizes.

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Post by fsflover »

s0ss wrote: post #822
radlad wrote: post #814

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> We already greatly distrust f*n mobiles which eavesdrop on everyone's conversation Yet every single person carries one.

Often out of necessity. I fantasize about disconnecting, but the reality is more complicated; it would difficult for me and others around me were I to disconnect.

I solved this problem by using a GNU/Linux phone.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by [deleted] »

autoexec wrote: post #875
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #857

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The technology they've packed into these things is amazing - it's an incredible achievement. But, that said, there's also plenty of room for negativity around the actual product conception. It may have niche applications, but it just doesn't seem that most people need or want AR for everyday use - it's a solution looking for a problem. For gaming VR seems a better fit than AR, and same for Metaverse in general. AR se…

The sad thing is that there are a lot of things AR glasses could be useful for in my everyday life, but it all assumes that those glasses are working for me and me alone. I'd never use a product that was going to spy on everything I see and do. I'd never use a product that would fill my vision with ads either.

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Post by aggie »

Morphiak wrote: post #663
jayd16 wrote: post #306

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6dof input from hand gestures is a killer feature but it has to be rock solid. So far only controllers can do it but it's getting much better every year. Haptic feedback, discrete buttons and precise analog input from controllers are also very important. The downside of controllers is that your hands are full and it's just not feasible for an all day wearable. Hopefully someone figures out a good compromise be it rin…

My killer feature will be a keyboard (/mouse) in a wristband(s), which comes along with, or nearby 6dof (also worthy, but not a personal grail). Electromyography is an awesome technology, among other reasons, because it can (or will) detect neural signals below the activation (movement) threshold, meaning you should be able to train yourself to type without moving your fingers. A viable way to thought control without…

Unless EMG signal processing has had some breakthrough in the past 10 years, it is not a very precise interaction mode. I worked in a lab developing it for quadriplegics to use with the muscle on their temple (we tested above the thumb as well). You can get rough 2-axis control with some practice, but that's with an adhesive EMG pad. Can a wrist band get a clean signal?

For typing, I'd expect you need to combine with eye tracking. So you're back to the Vision Pro UI.

On its own, EMG makes a good button, I'd expect. Maybe 1-axis control.

Re: Orion, our first true augmented reality glasses

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Post by zooq_ai »

stiray wrote: post #826
FL33TW00D wrote: post #768

Incredible amount of negativity here. Huge kudos to Meta for breaking new ground and doing a ton of R&D/M&A to get to this point. Once MicroLED comes on a little further and the form factor shrinks this could be the next consumer electronics platform. Silicon carbide is really interesting, we need high RI materials to make this work. Hopefully glass 3D printing or similar will make cheap, Rx waveguides possible.

Trust Is Built in Drops and Lost in Buckets Negativity? Yes Facebook was negative for 20ish years and as a result of their behavior technical people don't like them. This is not something, we are wrong about even if your "negativity here" silently suggests that. You reminded me of something, please read this article: https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/leave_my_br... It is helpful for becoming negative t…

Facebook still has 3B happy users.

It's only privileged, highly-paid coastal elites that hate FB.

Zuck, can literally say GFY as they don't matter in the broad scheme of things and innovations.

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