wow, if anyone suggested this supply chain attack as a possibility then everyone would brush it off
Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon
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#932This must clearly be a violation of international law.
Wild that the US media is reporting this as some mysterious, awe inspiring tactic.
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#933From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…
> other major producers could replicate this tactic
it's an inefficient tactic that actual terrorists won't employ tbh. Infiltrating manufacturers just to place small explosives isn't terror inducing - and you want the recipient of the explosion to know who it came from for a terrorist attack to be effective.
Israel did it to limit the amount of collateral (instead of shooting a missile or bomb, which would require a much larger radius of damage).
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#934Israel's Mossad spy agency planted a small amount (3 gm) of explosives inside 5,000 pagers made by Gold Apollo (a Taiwanese company). "The Mossad injected a board inside of the device that has explosive material that receives a code." 3,000 of the pagers exploded when a coded message was sent to them. Gold Apollo founder Hsu Ching-Kuang said the pagers used in the explosion were made by a company in Europe that had t…
> "The product was not ours. It was only that it had our brand on it" That's whitewashing. If they license the brand, they should control every aspect of manufacturing. Otherwise they are irresponsible. If I was their client, I wouldn't trust them any longer and return all pagers. I am curious about the technical details - where were the explosives packed, how were they connected and triggered? Did any pager survive…
You can judge them to be not a generally super-trustworthy brand.
But I would grant them that their responsibility for the deaths of these people is limited.
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#935"The New York Times reported that Israel hid explosive material in the Taiwan-made Gold Apollo pagers before they were imported to Lebanon, citing American and other officials briefed on the operation. The material was implanted next to the battery with a switch that could be triggered remotely to detonate." Wild
They tampered with thousands of devices. Created a whole production run of them and kept it under wraps. Wild indeed.
Did they have Mossad agents doing grunt work on the assembly line? All it takes is one spy working on the assembly line to relay how the malicious pagers look like to make the operation a waste.
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#936Honestly just slept on the thing and the story seems even more surreal to me now. How come they needed to replace their pagers AT ONCE recently? Has there been some great breakthrough in pager technology? I have a 5 year old phone and no desire to replace it for at least a couple years more. How come everyone had the EXACT same model? Even if the Israelis didn't compromise it, even the most incompetent intelligence a…
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#937From Israel's perspective, this supply chain attack was undoubtedly a clever move, but I can't help but wonder about its long-term consequences. Although it was aimed at harming Israel's adversaries, third-party countries may now hesitate to involve Israel in their supply chains. There's also the risk that other major producers could replicate this tactic, potentially leading to further escalation in the region or be…
The fact that they attacked them via their communication network that was intended to avoid Israeli surveillance, is irregular warfare at its finest. The main injury inflicted on individuals was psychological - we got into your supply chain this far. Also, your attempts to avoid us failed. But at an org level? They just disabled the entire comms system, whether through explosions, or by making people scared of explos…
>communication network that was intended to avoid Israeli surveillance
Reuters even covered conversion to pagers two months ago
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/pagers-drones-how-...
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#938Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon
#939Israel's Mossad spy agency planted a small amount (3 gm) of explosives inside 5,000 pagers made by Gold Apollo (a Taiwanese company). "The Mossad injected a board inside of the device that has explosive material that receives a code." 3,000 of the pagers exploded when a coded message was sent to them. Gold Apollo founder Hsu Ching-Kuang said the pagers used in the explosion were made by a company in Europe that had t…
> "The product was not ours. It was only that it had our brand on it" That's whitewashing. If they license the brand, they should control every aspect of manufacturing. Otherwise they are irresponsible. If I was their client, I wouldn't trust them any longer and return all pagers. I am curious about the technical details - where were the explosives packed, how were they connected and triggered? Did any pager survive…
These declarations sound so stupid to me. What's the point of having your brand on a product, if you're going to claim you have nothing to do with it? What is the point of the concept of a brand even?
Re: Hezbollah pager explosions kill several people in Lebanon
#940Israel's Mossad spy agency planted a small amount (3 gm) of explosives inside 5,000 pagers made by Gold Apollo (a Taiwanese company). "The Mossad injected a board inside of the device that has explosive material that receives a code." 3,000 of the pagers exploded when a coded message was sent to them. Gold Apollo founder Hsu Ching-Kuang said the pagers used in the explosion were made by a company in Europe that had t…
I wouldn't wish to be in the PR damage control team of Gold Apollo right now. This was a direct attack to their survival as company. Will they sue Israeli government for turning their product into a bomb used to mutilate and kill people? Seems not probable. Will they sue the Hungarian company making the bombs? That would be a more realistic target. Now Hezbollah has an excuse to attack Hungary interests in the EU and…
I doubt the company exists anymore or that there's anyone left in hungary who can be held responsible. Here's what i imagine took place:
step one: mossad sets up some sham manufacturing facility in Hungary or buys an existing one.
Step 2: reach out to gold apollo and make a deal to produce their pagers under license. Money no object they probably offered them very good terms. Gold apollo is so pleased by the money being offered they fail to investigate the company properly. Step 3: mossad agents start production introducing lethal batteries into the design, produce several thousand units then vanish leaving apollo executives bewildered but they have the money already so they don't ask too many questions.
Step 4: sell all the pagers at a great price to some hezbolla arms dealer, go home, buy some popcorn and turn on the tv.
In short everyone involved have probably disappeared months ago.
Also a really clever part is that they could have turned a profit on the sale meaning the operation was at least partly subsidised by hezbolla themselves.