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Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Not true — also, why would YC alums be less likely to upvote a post about Pavel Durov getting arrested?

I heard it directly from a YC alum who said he helped me push a post to the top. But this was several years ago. I didn't mean that YC alums would be less likely to upvote that particular article, but it does make the rankings much more unpredictable.

Another interesting thing is why my post was so heavily downvoted. Did I touch a taboo subject?

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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It's also perfectly fair to believe that no written (or spoken) word should be illegal

There is no place on earth which has laws that abide by this principle.

Probably true, but unrelated

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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If our democracy is as robust as our leaders advertise it, it should easily cope with extremism, anti-vaxxers and system opponents.

This is about identity theft like selling credit card details, meth and child porn (telegram deletes 60 thousand such groups. Per month. It's a shitpile that attracts flies, evidently)

Sure. And Tik Toks attempted ban is about Chinese surveillance.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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You are distracting from the issue: when law enforcement infiltrate into criminal telegram groups (drugs, child trafficking etc), they are for once doing their fucking job by ordering the platform to give them all the details they collect, so that they can come after those criminals. If Telegram did actually prioritize private and secure communication, they would indeed be just a data pipe and nothing could be shared…

I think this is projection. Claiming the arrest has to do drugs and child trafficking is distracting from the issue and the actual reason for the arrest. Which I outlined above. I believe it's as incorrect as arguing the United States wants to ban or own Tik Tok because China has access to Americans private data.

China itself has banned TikTok as-is from China, because its deems it as a negative for society. In the mean time it has served for spreading disinformation inside the rest of the world.

Whether the US has sincere reasons for proposing a ban is a station that has by long been passed. If your point is that "social" media is mainly a tool in the hands of tech elites, whose main business model is social upheaval and where foreign influence is up for the highest bidder (troll farms), then yes, I agree that we should have a broader discussion of what we as democratic societies expect from those profiting from information chaos, distrust in societal institutions, outrage, and advertisement clicks.

Parasitic tech elites and their tools of influence in the information sphere have nothing to do with free speech -- in fact they kill a fair debate among equal citizens in a democratic society.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Perhaps you got thrown by the double negative? > I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort means > I believe every western nation wants all messaging to be locally-backdoored

No, it doesn't?

Thanks, yes, I should have said

> I believe no western nation wants any messaging to be non-locally-backdoored

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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> the recent military-like tribunals the Brits were very quick to put in place as a result of the protests there Citation needed. No mention seen in UK national press.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2024/08/15/s... They convicted 54 people in two weeks. I guess "military like" means that trials and convictions were specifically expedited for right wing rioters on request of the neo elected prime minister.

No "military-like tribunals" there. Just regular criminal courts.

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The main problem with Telegram is it’s not subject to Western surveillance and censorship. Best I can tell, it’s also not subject to Eastern surveillance and censorship which is why it was (unsuccessfully) banned in Russia in 2018. As of right now, this is one of the few places where you can find true information about WW3 which is currently ongoing in Ukraine. This is true of all sides of the conflict: the only trul…

And how to you find the true uncensored information between all the propaganda on telegram?

What's your method of finding true information outside of Telegram?

Telegram is structured like a mix of a social network and a blogging platform. You find people you trust and read them. Sometimes they would repost someone else and if you like what they write you can read them too.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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In a way, Durov's arrest retroactively vindicates every EU citizen's decision to use Telegram (up until now), as it proves that they haven't been getting what they want from him. I am not nearly as concerned about Durov himself or the government of Dubai getting to read my messages as I am about the EU or one of its member states doing so, as there simply isn't much I can see the former doing with that data. The real…

Why would you be afraid of EU LE? Unlike countries such as Iran, Russia, SA, UAE it has reasonable laws.

EU countries prosecuted Assange, the Pirate Bay guys and now Durov. People in countries like Britain appear to frequently get persecuted for political posts. I'm sure that I've said things online that could get me in trouble now or would at some point in the future when the Overton window shifts in some other direction.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Asking cause I don’t know - can you provide iOS level iMessage encryption safely on Android when you don’t control the hardware?

Safety wise, Signal (or PGP email) on GrapheneOS is probably as good as it gets since it's all audited free open source code.

Signal is centralised protocol, which is main weakness. Instead, use decentralised, federated solution like matrix.org.

PGP is impractical for regular email communication unfortunately and pointless on platform like gmail.

Re: Telegram founder Pavel Durov arrested at French airport

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Not clear right now if France thinks he was actively complicit with the four horsemen listed, or if just the act of running Telegram makes him complicit in their eyes, or something in the middle, e.g. they asked for help and Telegram turned them down. This will be an interesting case to watch -- I don't believe there are any western nations that want non-locally-backdoored messaging of any sort -- but generally my un…

> According to the French authorities, Durov, who is estimated to be worth €13.9 billion by Forbes, is being charged as an accomplice to crimes including drug trafficking, fraud, terrorism and crimes against children over Telegram’s alleged “lack of moderation and cooperation with law enforcement”, as well for Telegram’s use of disposable numbers, and for allowing cryptocurrency transfers that cannot be monitored by…

Basically DSA to eliminate political opponents and potential danger for establishment.
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