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Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by erros »

I'm sure we all could appreciate Mega for what it was, and we could also debate the charges and go back and forth on extradition laws. The reality is that according to the DoJ, US citizens were victimized by a service that used US assets (servers) within its territory. That opens the doors for litigation. This happens literally in every country that can enforce it.

Like Reddit, HN has a crowd of anti-US folks with terrible sentiment until, you know, when they need the US or need a job in the U.S. The hypocrisy is astounding.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by bishbosh »

trollski wrote: post #921
talldayo wrote: post #919

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Any reccomendations?

Considering there is already another person replying to this comment saying that 'hacker' doesn't really mean anti-establishment, sharing them here seems like a good way to get a wave of unsavory folks.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by jvanderbot »

AnarchismIsCool wrote: post #930
macocha wrote: post #924

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Naming of Hacker News is like Open AI.

I miss when this place was full of wide-eyed CS undergrads, now it's just "Exploits in Venture Capitalism". Everyone has grown up and gotten themselves high paying, boring adtech jobs so now they feel the need to defend surveillance capitalism and "intellectual property" at every turn. We used to make fun of illegal numbers and censorship efforts, now we support them. I guess you either die a hero or you live long en…

Perhaps, but also the new generation didn't know anything else. There's plenty of fresh grads where I work, here, and elsewhere, who just don't value that fight as much or see it as the winnable-struggle-against-the-empire like we did.

I'm sure having a few kids takes the wind out of the middle-aged pirate ship's sails, but there are plenty of younger folks here who just value the startup culture, technology for its own sake, hustle, and have other values we can admire.

I adore the level of professionalism, diligence, and expertise I'm seeing in new grads who grew up knowing what a giant software company is (unlike us when they were kind of emerging as we were kids).

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by wnevets »

SentientAtom wrote: post #917

You really need not look any further than this thread for what-about-isms and attack-the-man arguments. The fact Hacker News of all places is going to bat for the RIAA and US Industrial Complex leaves me disappointed. Top comment reads something like "Yea but maybe its time to call it quits", well I guess that's how meaningful fights should end, giving up because the adversity is too great or the fight has lasted too…

> RIAA

There is something about treating the RIAA as the scary internet boggy man in 2024 that just seems so quaint.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by rangestransform »

jajko wrote: post #431
epolanski wrote: post #386

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I don't think your point stands. How would US citizens would feel if another country, say China, wanted to extradite a US citizen because he allegedly violated Chinese copyright law? Dotcom is absolutely right in saying that US is playing world police.

Countries extradite criminals all the time for crimes done here or there or anywhere, its just that US stands above literally everybody else, or at least wants to, so its not an equal situation and never was. This is underlined by other US excesses, ie [1] or the fact that US prisons are have many citizens of other states, but there are very few US citizens detained elsewhere (in democratic systems, not used for some…

Ratifying the rome statute in the US would be unconstitutional because it violates the sixth amendment right of american servicemembers to a jury trial.

I applaud the USA for fiercely defending its citizens' rights, even against the governments of other countries.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by RIMR »

SentientAtom wrote: post #917

You really need not look any further than this thread for what-about-isms and attack-the-man arguments. The fact Hacker News of all places is going to bat for the RIAA and US Industrial Complex leaves me disappointed. Top comment reads something like "Yea but maybe its time to call it quits", well I guess that's how meaningful fights should end, giving up because the adversity is too great or the fight has lasted too…

>The fact Hacker News of all places is going to bat for the RIAA and US Industrial Complex

Hacker News of all places! Never would have expected a website created by a billionaire venture capitalist to lean into intellectual property absolutism. Completely out of character for venture capitalist community to bend the knee to industry associations.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by RIMR »

poincaredisk wrote: post #928
talldayo wrote: post #919

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>They are not "hackers" in anything but name A sweeping generalisation. Being a "hacker" is a multidimensional thing. Most people here have a hacker spirit when it comes to curiosity and willingness to learn. The only thing we don't have in common with you idea of a hacker -in general- is the anti establishment attitude.

Yeah, that's why you're a fake hacker.

http://phrack.org/issues/7/3.html

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by alexey-salmin »

arlort wrote: post #898
alexey-salmin wrote: post #895

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Oh wow, very surprising to learn that US constitution allows extradition of US citizens abroad

Why is that surprising?

I come from Russia which is an extremely low bar with respect to human rights, however giving up a citizen to a foreign government is explicitly forbidden by the constitution. It's a very reasonable rule because by doing so you're effectively stripping him of constitutional protections (which sadly don't exist anymore but they did in the past).

I always assumed all decent countries have that, and of all especially the USA which is famous for things like "The Hague Invasion Act".

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by thegabriele »

SentientAtom wrote: post #917

You really need not look any further than this thread for what-about-isms and attack-the-man arguments. The fact Hacker News of all places is going to bat for the RIAA and US Industrial Complex leaves me disappointed. Top comment reads something like "Yea but maybe its time to call it quits", well I guess that's how meaningful fights should end, giving up because the adversity is too great or the fight has lasted too…

Funny thing, i stumbled upon HN because as a youngster i searched for news about...hacking.

Re: Kim Dotcom's extradition to the U.S. given green light by New Zealand

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Post by lgleason »

I'm not a fan of Kim but....

Basically, this is a win for big money interests and the powerful in the US. It was only a matter of time before New Zealand caved. Meanwhile the US has become a banana republic as demonstrated by the lawfare being waged against the Republican party and it's leading candidate for the presidential election.

For those supporting this change in position by New Zealand, when this erosion of rights used against you remember that you reap what you sow.

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