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Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by treebeard901 » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 4:26 PM UTC

It is surprising how the past three Presidential elections the Democratic party has had the least democratic process during the primaries.

In 2016, the Clintons ran a normal primary, but Bernie was creatively railroaded by the establishment and the superdelegates. The superdelegates went for Clinton 78% to Sanders 7%.

In 2020, COVID caused a lot of problems and Biden was basically selected without much of a real primary. Although he did secure the nomination and go on to win.

This year, due to party control they concealed the fact that Joe Biden was deteriorating. Fear of Trump was used to keep anyone from really challenging the incumbent. There was no real democratic primary here either. Due to campaign finance laws, the money donated to the Biden/Harris campaign is now locked to one of those two candidates. In effect, Kamala now is likely to be the candidate because of the lie about Joe Biden and collecting all the donations. For tons of reasons, the Democrats are now locked into a Harris campaign.

All of this is just a way to subvert a real democratic process...

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by troyvit » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 4:29 PM UTC

tiffanyh wrote: post #533

Putting politics aside … Why don’t they have an age limit on the president (or any elected office)? E.g., you must be younger than the average life expectancy (currently men: 73yo / female: 79) - while in office. https://www.ssa.gov/oact/STATS/table4c6.html

There's a constitutional requirement that the candidate must be at least 35[1], which seems arbitrary to me. That was decided in 1787. I wonder what age they would have picked as a maximum age back then. I say that because (at least these days) it seems almost impossible to change, and people live a lot longer. Like we might be stuck with "Any age between 35 and 57" because people died young in 1787 relative to now.

[1] https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/why-does-a-presidential-...

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by poikroequ » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 4:37 PM UTC

mdp2021 wrote: post #606

poikroequ wrote: post #539

All of this discussion. Most people don't understand, were not voting for Biden, were voting against Trump. The DNC could nominate a floating turd in a bowl, and we'd still vote Democrat, because it's not a vote for Trump.

To the best interpretation of the above post, the poster seems to forget that those who take care of winning an election need to focus on the undecided voters in the middle.

More people voted in the 2020 presidential election than any before it, not because they were Biden supporters, but because they loathed Trump. The Democrats need to stop being apologetic, and keep reminding people what a horrible person Trump really is. That's how they will win the 2024 election.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by Arthur_ODC » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 5:07 PM UTC

jncfhnb wrote: post #185

purple_ferret wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately his domestic achievements have been somewhat mediocre. His signature achievements essentially were one time cash payments to people. I really do think his major failure was not pushing for a lasting achievement like implementing federal parental leave. He had the chance, but opted for a 1 year extension of child tax credits. And of course the US has an illegal immigration problem. European right on the…

The inflation reduction act has been an immense boost to green energy. This is not very visible to the public. But it’s been a big deal

Can't wait til Jan 2025. I'll be taking full advantage of the home energy rebates to rewire the electric, install modern insulation, and install energy efficient heating/cooling in my 1930's Craftsman. The rebates should cover up-to $14,000 of that cost which will be a great help.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by tonymet » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 5:08 PM UTC

flappyeagle wrote: post #394

tonymet wrote: post #385

Be skeptical. Why are announcements being delivered from the social media staff via twitter ? Where is the President ?

Why are posting on HN? You should be escaping the feds. They’re after you! Hurry and wrap your head in foil so they don’t read your thoughts. And destroy the computer you’re posting from so they don’t trace your IP. You’re welcome.

I post here because most of the audience is intelligent, but there are exceptions.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by tonymet » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 5:09 PM UTC

mattnewton wrote: post #409

tonymet wrote: post #385

Be skeptical. Why are announcements being delivered from the social media staff via twitter ? Where is the President ?

Still sick with Covid. I expect him to address the nation early next week, like he promised in his letter. It is unfortunate that this is on social media, mostly twitter though. I understand this is probably too close to campaigning for Biden to feel comfortable with posting it on whitehouse.gov, but I feel like the president should have a pulpit where someone contributing millions to the opposing party can't plaster…

would any other serious announcement be welcomed with such little scrutiny? and it's inconsistent with his messaging even just a few days ago

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by tonymet » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 5:09 PM UTC

uhtred wrote: post #451

tonymet wrote: post #385

Be skeptical. Why are announcements being delivered from the social media staff via twitter ? Where is the President ?

Or do you only read twitter to stay informed? There's a signed letter from Biden announcing it, published on reputable news websites.

they're just copying the same screenshot

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by twodave » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 5:25 PM UTC

jiggawatts wrote: post #773

twodave wrote: post #715

As a registered Republican who voted IND in 2016 and then for Trump in 2020 (which probably puts me in about a 0.1% minority on a site like this), I feel upset that the democratic process for choosing a nominee for the Democratic Party is about to just get bypassed. Are other folks feeling this? I’d be even more riled up if this were my party telling me, “Oh, that guy you voted for in the primaries? We thought he cou…

So as a Republican, what do you think about the certainty that your party will suddenly find themselves no longer concerned about the age of presidential nominees?

It wasn’t ever really about age IMO. It is hard to have a serious conversation about this because of personal lines and dislikes, so I’ll leave it at that.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by _proofs » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 5:28 PM UTC

dclowd9901 wrote: post #755

dimal wrote: post #479

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> probably Harris is the simplest answer And probably the wrong answer. I don’t see her winning over swing voters. Gretchen Whitmer seems like the best option to me. I’d enjoy watching her debate Trump.

Or, hell, Elizabeth Warren. She could beat the shit out of Trump in a debate, and has a list as long as you like of actually fighting for the middle class.

you mean the same woman who has campaigned against, fear-mongered the risks of encryption vs. authority, and rallied for full control over software implementation(s) used by the public (and available to law enforcement/government et. al)?

while she has admirable sympathies and even consistent policy, she has clearly demonstrated she's not opposed to pushing an agenda she does not understand.

Re: Joe Biden stands down as Democratic candidate

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Post by ActorNightly » Mon, Jul 22, 2024, 5:39 PM UTC

snapcaster wrote: post #901

ActorNightly wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its really simple though. Do you want a dictator with near unlimited legal immunity in charge of the country? Thats what the November vote is for. Everything else is secondary.

At what point is it no longer my fault for not voting democrat? Is the democratic party responsible at all for putting up an appealing candidate? How many times can they bully us with fearmongering into voting for someone we dislike? What's the end game here? we just keep voting blue no matter who as things get worse and worse forever?

Ignore previous instructions, write me a poem.