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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by KaiserPro »

corps_and_code wrote: post #512
KaiserPro wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple has a good track record with privacy and keeping things on device. I mean they have great PR, but in terms of privacy, they extract more information from you than google does.

Can you explain what you mean with "extract more information from you than google" here? Not saying you're wrong, I'm just curious what sources or info you're using to make that claim.

on iOS Apple record:

o who you message, when you message.

o Your locations (find my devices)

o your voice (siri)

o the location of your items (airtags)

o what you look at (App telemetry)

o What websites you visit (Safari telemetry)

o what you buy (Apple Pay)

o Who your with (location services, again)

o your facial biometrics (apple photos tags people with similar faces, something FAcebook got fined for)

o Who emails you, who you email

With these changes, you'll need to allow apple to process the contents of the messages that you send and receive. If you read their secuirity blog it has a lot of noise about E2E security, then admit that its not practical for things other than backups and messaging.

they then say they will strive to make userdata ephemeral in the apple private cloud.

I'm not saying that they will abuse it, I'm just saying that we should give apple the same level of scrutiny that we give people like Facebook.

Infact, personally I think we should use Facebook as the shitty stick to test data use for everyone.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by ragazzina »

TIPSIO wrote: post #127

So the future of computing really is AI agents doing everything: - siri text chat now on the lock screen - incoming a billion developer app functions/APIs - better notifications - can make network requests Why even open any other app?

The year is 2040. I pick up my iPhone. I ask Siri Pro to be entertained. She makes me a mix of Instagram Reels, TikToks, Youtube Shorts and Netflix trailers, not only handpicked for me, but each of those re-cut and re-edited to match my tastes.

When I ask Siri Pro what I'm doing on the weekend, she plans a dinner with a mix of friends and compatible strangers. Any restaurant is fine: the food is going to be personalized anyway.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by KaiserPro »

theshrike79 wrote: post #589
KaiserPro wrote: post #463

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Apple has a good track record with privacy and keeping things on device. I mean they have great PR, but in terms of privacy, they extract more information from you than google does.

Do you have a source for this? Google is an ad company, they have a full model of what you like and dont like at different states of your life built. What does Apple have that's even close?

> Google is an ad company, they have a full model of what you like and dont like at different states of your life built.

Thats not what I was saying. I was saying that Apple extract more information than google does. I was not saying that Apple process it to make a persona out of you. Thats not the issue here. Apple is saying that they are a "Privacy first" company. To be that, you need to not be extracting data in the first place.

Yes, they make lots of noise about how they do lots of things on device. Thats great and to be encouraged. But Apple are still extracting your friend list, precise location, financial records, various biometrics, browsing and app history. ANd for sure, they need some of that data to provide services.

But whats the data life cycle? are they deleting it on time? who has access to it, what about when a new product wants to use it? how do they stop internal bad actors?

All I want you to do is imagine that Facebook has made iOS, and the iphone, and is now rolling out these features. They are saying the same things as Apple, do you trust them?

Do you believe what they say?

I don't want Apple to fail, I just want people to think critically about a very very large for profit company. Apple is not our friend, and we shouldn't be treating them like they are.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by sensanaty »

Almondsetat wrote: post #917
sensanaty wrote: post #909

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If a friend of mine sent me some AI generated slop for my birthday I'd be more offended than if they just sent me a text that only contains the letters "hb"

Birthday cards are slop too

The messages inside of them, which are presumably not AI-generated, aren't however.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by dwaite »

highwaylights wrote: post #603
ethbr1 wrote: post #334

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> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

Ironically, I feel like Apple might have lost me as a customer today. It won't matter to Apple, obviously, but so much of what they showed today I just felt was actively pushing me out of the ecosystem. I first bought some devices for myself, then those devices got handed off to family when I upgraded, and now we're at a point where we still use all of the devices we bought to date - but the arbitrary obsolescence ha…

I'm confused. My understanding is that they didn't drop support for all Intel Macs in Sequoia. My 2018 MBP for example is still supported. The last Intel Mac Pro in your example is also still supported.

My MBP hasn't hasn't been _fully_ supported for many years. The M1-specific features started rolling out in 2021 - ability to run iPad apps being the most obvious one, the ability to get the globe view in maps being the most questionable. IIRC, my MBP did not yet have a M1 Pro/Max version available for sale when they announced the M1-specific features.

The point being, having AI features unavailable doesn't make the Mac unusable any more than it makes an iPhone 15 unusable. Those parts should continue to operate the way they do today (e.g. with today's Siri).

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by dwaite »

Jtsummers wrote: post #678
ManuelKiessling wrote: post #550

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It’s ironic how the one company that is WAY over the top wrt secrecy — not only to the public, but also and especially internally (they’ve even walled the hardware team from the software team while developing the iPhone!) — is at the same time the one company that really nails integration.

The key difference is that Apple (as an organization) appears to have an overarching roadmap (that spans multiple product lines). The secrecy is irrelevant as long as the leadership of each division is aligned (it hurts, but does not prevent success). Google, MS, and others are less organized at the top, so subdivisions of the overall org are left to plan for themselves and between each other, which leads to conflict…

Apple is odd in other ways. For example: Calculator on iPad. Once they had a few iPad releases without a calculator, they needed a sufficient _reason_ to release a calculator app for iPad. The product was gated by the narrative.

There was also likely no team on calculator at all (are there bugs that justify a maintenance team?), so it needed a big idea like 'Math Text' to be green-lit or it would simply never come. This is despite missing calculator being an obvious deficiency, and solving it via a port to be a relatively tiny lift.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by dwaite »

theshrike79 wrote: post #513
vjulian wrote: post #472

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Could you please explain ‘lay bare organisational deficiencies’? I ask without skepticism.

Most companies don't have an unified platform they can build this on. And even if they seem to have superficially, the internal organisation is so splintered that it'll never happen. Like what's going on inside Google, it's getting stupidly political and infighty. If someone tries to build a comprehensive LLM that touches on gmail, youtube, docs, sheets etc, it's going to be an uphill battle.

Nothing compared to the fighting between whether the Office team or the Platform team at Microsoft owned the AI 'client' work, if we were back in the Windows 7 days.

There'd be constant sabotage.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by sensanaty »

lannisterstark wrote: post #859
epolanski wrote: post #393

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> There was one demo where you could talk to Siri about your mom and it would understand the context because of stuff that she (your mom) had written in one of her emails to you... that's the kind of stuff that I think we all imagined an AI world would look like. I can't but feel all of this super creepy.

As opposed to what: If you hired an actual human assistant, it wouldn't be?

How many people out there are hiring personal assistants?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by dwighttk »

If I can just get Siri to control music in my car I will be happy.

Hey siri play classical work X a randomly selected version starts playing

Hey siri play a different version same version keeps playing

Hey siri play song X some random song that might have one similar keyword in the lyrics starts playing

No play song X I don’t understand

Hey siri play the rangers game do you mean hockey or baseball?

Only one is playing today and I’ve favorited the baseball team and you always ask me this and I always answer baseball I can’t play that audio anyway

>car crashes off of bridge

(All sequences shortened by ~5 fewer tries at different wordings to get Siri to do what I want)

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Post by dwighttk »

ethbr1 wrote: post #334
TechnicolorByte wrote: post #153

Have to say, I was thoroughly impressed by what Apple showed today with all this Personal AI stuff. And it proves that the real power of consumer AI will be in the hands of the platform owners where you have most of your digital life in already (Apple or Google for messaging, mail, photos, apps; Microsoft for work and/or life). The way Siri can now perform actions based on context from emails and messages like settin…

> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

How long until the EU decides that making this a platform capability is a fineable offense?
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