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Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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Altman has proven time and again that he is little more than a huckster wrt technology, and in business he is a stone cold shark. Conman plain and simple.

Not going to lie, he had me. He appeared very genuine and fair in almost all media he appeared like podcasts but many of his actions are just so hard to justify.

This is why it's a mistake to go by "vibes" of a person when they're speaking to an audience. Pay attention to what they do, not what they say.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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He has “The Vision”… It’s the modern entrepreneurship trope that lowly engineers won’t achieve anything if they weren’t rallied by a demi-god who has “The Vision” and makes it all happen.

I roll my eyes when somebody says that they’re “the idea person” or that they have “the vision”. I’d wager that most senior+ engineers or product people also have equally compelling “the vision”s. The difference is that they need to do actual work all day so they don’t get to sit around pontificating.

Ideas are a dime a dozen. The value of "idea men" isn't their ideas, it's their ability to rally people around them. It's the exact same skill that con men use for nefarious purposes.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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if this account is true, Sam Altman is a deeply unethical human being. Given that he doesn't bring any technical know how to building of AGI, I just don't see the reason to have such a person in charge here. The new board should act.

I mean, there's already been some yellow flags with Altman already. He founded Worldcoin, whose plan is to airdrop free money in exchange for retinal scans. And the board of OpenAI fired him for (if I've got this right) lying to the board about conversations he'd had with individual board members.

WorldCoin is how I first heard of him, and it's what made me think he was a bad actor. I think of it as a red flag, not yellow.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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It would be helpful if you linked to something more specific (even a timestamp). I’m not going to watch this nearly 3-hour video to decide whether it supports your statement or not.

If you want to discover truths, 3 hours research seems like a good deal. Anyways, I got you covered. Altman has had a plan for this from the get go: https://www.techemails.com/p/sam-altman-emails-elon-musk

If you make a claim, link a source (but not what part of the source that actually backs your claim) then when asked which part of the source you just link another source that does not explicitly say what you initially said it makes your argument look weak.

Link and quote to the parts that back your claim and if it is not clear how it backs your claim say what your interpretation is.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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The thing about the situation is that Altman is willing to lie and steal a celebrity's voice for use in ChatGPT. What he did, the timeline, everything - is sleazy if, in fact, that's the story. The really concerning part here is that Altman is, and wants to be, a large part of AI regulation [0]. Quite the public contradiction. [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-openai-artificial...

> The thing about the situation is that Altman is willing to lie and steal a celebrity's voice for use in ChatGPT. What he did, the timeline, everything - is sleazy if, in fact, that's the story. Correcting, the thing about this whole situation with OpenAI is they are willing to steal everything for use in ChatGPT. They trained their model with copyrighted data and for some reason they won't delete the millions of pr…

Using other people data for training without their permission is the "original sin" of LLMs[1]. That will, at best, be a shadow over the entire field for an extremely long time.

[1] Just to head off people saying that such a use is not a copyright violation -- I'm not saying it is. I'm just saying that it's extremely sketchy and, in my view, ethically unsupportable.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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"Tactical charisma" is a good one. Honestly though, if you actually listen to him and read his words he seems to be even more devoid of basic empathetic human traits than even Zuckerberg who gets widely lampooned as a robot or a lizard. He is a grifter through-and-through.

Emotional intelligence /true empathy cannot be learned or acquired, at least IMHO. But it can be learned to be mimicked almost to perfection, either by endless trial & error or by highly intelligent motivated people. It usually breaks apart when completely new intense / stressful situation happens. Sociopaths belong here very firmly and form majority. If you know what to look for, you will see it in most if not all p…

>World is owned and run by them

There's a song about that - Jarvis Cocker - "Running the World"

Doesn't get played on radio because of the lyrics

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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No man, a majority do not believe that and it's really weird that you think they do.

Why? The data clearly points that nobody will go out of their way to protect IP laws. In majority of the world nobody could care less about some hollywood actor with tough to spell name getting their voice cloned. It's really weird that someone would think that IP law is more important than access to information. Must be some dystopian bubble.

Just because companies are violating people's artistic ownership and the State isn't punishing or preventing it fast enough is not an indication that a majority of people "could care less". If anything you can see the fomenting dislike with OpenAI right in front of you.

You can frame it however you like to make it justifiable, but I'm not going to get into the mud with you.

Re: Statement from Scarlett Johansson on the OpenAI "Sky" voice

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Could they have made it look less like Midler vs Ford? "Midler was asked to sing a famous song of hers for the commercial and refused. Subsequently, the company hired a voice-impersonator of Midler and carried on with using the song for the commercial, since it had been approved by the copyright-holder. Midler's image and likeness were not used in the commercial but many claimed the voice used sounded impeccably like…

What was the result of that? Did Ford or Midler end up winning?

Midler won, it’s a cornerstone case in protecting image/likeness.

In tech we’re used to IP law. In entertainment, there is unsurprisingly a whole area of case law on image and likeness.

Tech will need to understand this—and the areas of domain specific case law in many, many other fields—if AI is really to be adopted by the entire world.

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You seem to be misunderstanding the legalities at work here: reaching out to her multiple times beforehand, along with tweets intended to underline the similarity to her work on Her, demonstrates intention. If they didn’t think they needed permission, why ask for permission multiple times and then yank it when she noticed? Answer: because they knew they needed permission, after working so hard to associate with Her,…

> If they didn’t think they needed permission, why ask for permission multiple times and then yank it when she noticed? One very easy explanation is that they trained Sky using another voice (this is the claim and no reason to doubt it is true) wanting to replicate the stye of the voice in "Her", but would have preferred to use SJ's real voice for the PR impact that could have. Yanking it could also easily be a pre-e…

I actually believe that’s quite plausible. The trouble is, by requesting permission in the first place, they demonstrated intent, which is legally significant. I think a lot of your confusion is attempting to employ pure logic to a legal issue. They are not the same thing, and the latter relies heavily on existing precedent — of which you may, it seems, be unaware.

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Would love to see this get far enough for discovery to see how that all played out behind the scenes.

They’ll settle as soon as they figure that out. Idiot tax.

She has a net worth of $100-$200m dollars. I doubt she wants $5-10m more.

OpenAI cannot hurt her standing in the industry— in fact, “ScarJo takes on Big Tech and wins”, in an era after the Hollywood unions called a strike and won protections from studios using generative AI for exactly this scenario, is ironically probably one of the best thing she can do for her image right now.

She is also one of the most litigious actresses in the industry, taking on Disney and winning what’s estimated to be 8 figures.

Good luck OpenAI!

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