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Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by gitaarik »

solarhexes wrote: post #388
jack_riminton wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reminds me of when black people in the UK get called African American by Americans. No they're neither African nor American It's an incredibly self-centered view of the world

I think it’s just that’s the word you’ve been taught to use. It’s divorced from the meaning of its constituent parts, you aren’t saying “an American of African descent” you’re saying “black” but in what was supposed to be some kind of politically correct way. I cannot imagine even the most daft American using it in the UK and intending that the person is actually American.

Yeah and so the phrase "African American" is a typical example of the ignorance of Americans thinking they're the only ones in the world.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by laurels-marts »

sega_sai wrote: post #266

That is certainly embarassing. But in the same time, I think it is a debate worth having. What corrections to the training dataset biases are acceptable. Is it acceptable to correct the answer to the query "Eminent scientist" from 95% men, 5% woment to 50%/50% or to the current ratio of men/women in science ? Should we correct the ratio of black to white people in answering a generic question to average across the gl…

> In my opinion, some corrections are worthwhile.

The problem with “corrections” is that they obscure the truth. If you’re being given information and start forming perceptions that no longer map onto reality you’re actually in a much worse position to change or do anything about reality itself. It’s basically like you’re being lied to and misled. How can you fix the situation if you don’t even have the facts at hand or you’re not being made aware of the facts?

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by laurels-marts »

andybak wrote: post #226

OK. Have a setting where you can choose either: 1. Attempt to correct inherent biases in training data and produce diverse output (May sometimes produce results that are geographically or historically unrepresentative) 2. Unfiltered (Warning. Will generate output that reflects biases and inequalities in the training data.) Default to (1) and surely everybody is happy? It's transparent and clear about what and why it'…

When you refer to “training data” you mean reality?

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by foobiekr »

Biganon wrote: post #703
_heimdall wrote: post #224

We humans haven't even figured out how to discuss race, sex, or gender without it devolving into a tribal political fight. We shouldn't be surprised that algorithms we create and train on our own content will similarly be confused. Its the exact same reason we won't solve the alignment problem and have basically given up on it. We can't align humans with ourselves, we'll absolutely never define some magic ruleset tha…

> We humans Americans* The rest of the world is able to speak about those things

Much of the rest of the world is overtly sexist and racist. If you’ve traveled anywhere at all you would know that the idea that the US is uniquely bad or even in the top ten is unmoored from reality.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by 0x38B »

dragonwriter wrote: post #901
layer8 wrote: post #733

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That struck me as well. While the training data is biased in various ways (like media in general are), it should however also contain enough information for the AI to be able to judge reasonably well what a less biased reality-reflecting balance would be. For example, it should know that there are male nurses, black politicians, etc., and represent that appropriately. Black Nazi soldiers are so far out that it sheds…

You are literally saying that the training data, despite its bias, should somehow enable the AI to correct to acheive a different understanding than that bias, which is self-contradictory. You are literally suggesting that the data both omits and contains the same information.

I wonder if we’ll ever get something like ‘AI-recursion’, where you get an AI to apply specific transformations to data which is then used to train on, sort of like machines making better machines.

E.g. take some data A, and then have a model (for instance ChatGPT-like) extrapolate based on it, potentially adding new depths or details about the given data.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by Ferret7446 »

duxup wrote: post #783
sotasota wrote: post #759

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If you ever wondered what it was like to live during the beginning of the Cultural Revolution, well, we are living in the Western version of that right now. You don't speak out during the revolution for fear of being ostracized, fired, and forced into a struggle session where your character and reputation is publicly destroyed to send a clear message to everyone else. Shut Up Or Else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go…

I think we're a ways from the severity of the Cultural Revolution.

That's what everyone thought just before every single horrible thing that happened in history. The Cultural Revolution or, e.g., the Holocaust didn't happen overnight. Things change slightly every day and then afterward you realize that everything has gone wrong, right around when people come knocking on your door.

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Post by bamboozled »

wakawaka28 wrote: post #353
bamboozled wrote: post #55

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My opinion, that is made up.

Watch someone do similar queries on Gemini, live: https://youtube.com/watch?v=69vx8ozQv-s

I thought the Chinese woman in medieval armour was good though.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by Ferret7446 »

FooBarBizBazz wrote: post #902
sotasota wrote: post #759

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you ever wondered what it was like to live during the beginning of the Cultural Revolution, well, we are living in the Western version of that right now. You don't speak out during the revolution for fear of being ostracized, fired, and forced into a struggle session where your character and reputation is publicly destroyed to send a clear message to everyone else. Shut Up Or Else. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go…

Nah, America is past "peak woke". If it gets Trump 2.0 there might be a hyper-woke backlash though (or double backlash?). But if there's another Biden term, things will be chill, culturally. Also, Twitter is dead, and that's where the spirals got out of hand.

In all seriousness, I don't think Biden can make it to another term. Even if we assume he gets voted in, he'll likely keel over walking up to the podium for the inauguration. Let the poor old man rest.

Re: Google to pause Gemini image generation of people after issues

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Post by flippinfloppin »

sycamoretrees wrote: post #22

why are we using image generators to represent actual history? If we want accuracy surely we can use actual documents that are not imagined by a bunch of code. If you want to write fanfic or whatever then just adjust the prompt

It should generate the image I ask for. As seen, if it explicitly refuses to generate images of white people and blathers on about problematic this-and-that as its "justification", there is a deep issue at hand.
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