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Re: Gemini AI

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Post by dimask »

runako wrote: post #880
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #867

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bard w/ Gemini Pro isn't available in Europe and isn't multi-modal, https://support.google.com/bard/answer/14294096 It's available in 174 countries. Europe has gone to great lengths to make itself an incredibly hostile environment for online businesses to operate in. That's a fair choice, but don't blame Google for spending some extra time on compliance before launching there.

> It's available in 174 countries. Basically the entire world, except countries that specifically targeted American Big Tech companies for increased regulation. > Europe has gone to great lengths to make itself an incredibly hostile environment for online businesses to operate in. This is such an understated point. I wonder if EU citizens feel well-served by e.g. the pop-up banners that afflict the global web as a re…

Yes I do feel. I have no invested interest in the online advertising industry as to not be.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by eastern »

brainwad wrote: post #675
ithkuil wrote: post #652

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Why do they gate access at country level if it's about language. I live in Europe and speak English just fine. Can't they just offer it in English only until the multi-language support is ready?

Launching anything as a big tech company in Europe is an absolute nightmare. Between GDPR, DSA, DMA and in Google's case, several EC remedies, it takes months to years to get anything launched.

Launching a small company is an even bigger nightmare, and that's actually the bigger problem.

The legal cost of dealing with a few _mistaken_ (or fake) GDPR complaints can wipe you out.

The bigger company will have inhouse or retainered lawyers who'll deal with it.

Almost all regulation acts as a barrier which protects bigger companies who can pay lawyer fees without blinking.

It's amazing how much of the HN crowd sides with the bureaucracies which are basically pals of the guys with deep pockets.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by hereme888 »

hereme888 wrote: post #602

I thought Gemini was supposed to be a "massive leap" over GPT-4, and yet even in these benchmarks (unevenly employed) it just barely outperformed a specific model of GPT-4. Google is the one that boasted in saying that. By the time it's actually available to the public, OpenAI may be rolling out their next model. But it does seem like Google is catching up faster than anyone else.

Well, just saw some videos of what Gemini can do. Actually impressive:

https://x.com/sundarpichai/status/1732433036929589301?s=20

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by IanCal »

jug wrote: post #918
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #867

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bard w/ Gemini Pro isn't available in Europe and isn't multi-modal, https://support.google.com/bard/answer/14294096 It's available in 174 countries. Europe has gone to great lengths to make itself an incredibly hostile environment for online businesses to operate in. That's a fair choice, but don't blame Google for spending some extra time on compliance before launching there.

But Bard already complied to EU laws? I mean. Bard has already gone through this and it was opened in EU. I really wonder how changing an LLM underpinning a service will influence this (I thought compliance had to do with service behavior and data sharing across their platform -- not the algorithm). And I wonder what Google is actually doing here that made them suspect they'll fail compliance once again. And why they…

My guess is what data centers they can run this out of. If bard + palm2 is running in eu data centers but gemini is only US for now due to the use of their TPUv5(then a letter?) big machines.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by scriptproof »

runako wrote: post #880
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #867

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bard w/ Gemini Pro isn't available in Europe and isn't multi-modal, https://support.google.com/bard/answer/14294096 It's available in 174 countries. Europe has gone to great lengths to make itself an incredibly hostile environment for online businesses to operate in. That's a fair choice, but don't blame Google for spending some extra time on compliance before launching there.

> It's available in 174 countries. Basically the entire world, except countries that specifically targeted American Big Tech companies for increased regulation. > Europe has gone to great lengths to make itself an incredibly hostile environment for online businesses to operate in. This is such an understated point. I wonder if EU citizens feel well-served by e.g. the pop-up banners that afflict the global web as a re…

"pop-up banners that afflict the global web as a result of their regulations"

It is very annoyous but it is also the choice of the sites, you can put a discret banner at the bottom and not disrupt the reading if you want to not annoy people.

These "regulations against us giants" may also have positive effects. They forced Microsoft to offer a choice of browsers on Windows, something requested by Firefox and Opera and that killed Internet Explorer and permitted modern browsers including Google Chrome to florish.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by cbolton »

Interesting example on page 57 of the technical report[1] with a poorly worded question:

"Prompt: Find the derivative of sinh 𝑥 + cosh 𝑦 = 𝑥 + 𝑦."

I couldn't understand what was being asked: derive what with respect to what? Gemini didn't have that problem, apparently it figured out the intent and gave the "correct" answer.

[1] https://storage.googleapis.com/deepmind-media/gemini/gemini_...

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by Version467 »

runako wrote: post #880
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #867

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bard w/ Gemini Pro isn't available in Europe and isn't multi-modal, https://support.google.com/bard/answer/14294096 It's available in 174 countries. Europe has gone to great lengths to make itself an incredibly hostile environment for online businesses to operate in. That's a fair choice, but don't blame Google for spending some extra time on compliance before launching there.

> It's available in 174 countries. Basically the entire world, except countries that specifically targeted American Big Tech companies for increased regulation. > Europe has gone to great lengths to make itself an incredibly hostile environment for online businesses to operate in. This is such an understated point. I wonder if EU citizens feel well-served by e.g. the pop-up banners that afflict the global web as a re…

Absolutely. We got a usb c iPhone, apple will have to allow sideloading in the very near future, there’s some repairability stuff in the works, etc. All in all, as an EU citizen I very much feel like the regulation has been a big benefit for consumers.

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by jacomoRodriguez »

runako wrote: post #880
AlchemistCamp wrote: post #867

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bard w/ Gemini Pro isn't available in Europe and isn't multi-modal, https://support.google.com/bard/answer/14294096 It's available in 174 countries. Europe has gone to great lengths to make itself an incredibly hostile environment for online businesses to operate in. That's a fair choice, but don't blame Google for spending some extra time on compliance before launching there.

> It's available in 174 countries. Basically the entire world, except countries that specifically targeted American Big Tech companies for increased regulation. > Europe has gone to great lengths to make itself an incredibly hostile environment for online businesses to operate in. This is such an understated point. I wonder if EU citizens feel well-served by e.g. the pop-up banners that afflict the global web as a re…

Yes, I'm very happy the the EU is trying to protect the privacy and data of its citisense. I prefer this much to the "friss oder stirb" mentality of other countries regulations.

And also let me mention the unified usb-c atpater regulation, the opening of messenger protocols and app shops! I honestly believe the EU is making tech better for the whole world!

Re: Gemini AI

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Post by busyant »

moffkalast wrote: post #635
spaceman_2020 wrote: post #594

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I'm legitimately starting to wonder what white collar workers will even do in 5-10 years. This just Year 1 of this stuff going mainstream. Careers are 25-30 years long. What will someone entering the workforce today even be doing in 2035?

Yeah it has been quite the problem to think about ever since the original release of ChatGPT, as it was already obvious where this will be going and multimodal models more or less confirmed it. There's two ways this goes: UBI or gradual population reduction through unemployment and homelessness. There's no way the average human will be able to produce any productive value outside manual labor in 20 years. Maybe not e…

> UBI or gradual population reduction through unemployment and homelessness

I actually think that if we get to a superintelligent AGI and ask it to solve our problems (e.g., global warming, etc.), the AGI will say, "You need to slow down baby production."

Under good circumstances, the world will see a "soft landing" where we solve our problems by population reduction, and it's achieved through attrition and much lower birth rate.

We have met the enemy and he is us.

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