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Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by mschuster91 »

jbverschoor wrote: post #645
mschuster91 wrote: post #295

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I'm one of them. For work, come and grab my 2019 16in from my cold dead hands - it may not have the battery lifetime of my private 2022 M2 MBA, but at least I don't have to fight weird issues with x86 Docker images (especially anything involving a JDK runtime, i.e. Tomcat, tends to act up). And no, converting these images to ARM isn't an option, the source image doesn't come from us, and we need to reproduce the exac…

So an occasional firmware upgrade is holding you back? If you install the guest drivers, windows is superfast under UTM. The docker thing is nonsense if you're using orbstack for example.

> So an occasional firmware upgrade is holding you back? If you install the guest drivers, windows is superfast under UTM.

The guest drivers don't work under Win7.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by lynguist »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #373

Is this still ARMv8? I think ARMv9 SKUs from others are just around the corner, and that's going to be a pain point for Apple.

https://developer.arm.com/documentation/102378/0201/Armv8-x-...

Apple implements all armv8.5 features and some 8.6 features.

The 9.0 competitors are at the same level as 8.5.

Cortex-X4 is at 9.2 which is not yet in any SoC.

The only difference between armv8.5 and armv9.0 is one single extension that is required on 9.0, namely SVE2 (scalable vector extensions 2).

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by lynguist »

TillE wrote: post #346
chipgap98 wrote: post #79

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These are the new 3nm chips from TSMC, right?

The A17 Pro benchmarks are extremely disappointing, so I don't think 3nm is actually doing much.

Significantly faster absolute single core CPU performance than a 12900K is pretty good and not disappointing at all. I find the improvements in A17 Pro substantial.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by wildrhythms »

rrrurueuururu wrote: post #390
koito17 wrote: post #102

One thing that left me a bit confused was the comparison against Intel Macs. Although I am still using an Intel 16-inch MacBook, I really wanted to see how the M3 fared against the M2, not Intel and M1. I think it's no surprise the M3 exceeds the Intel Core i7-9750H in basically all of Apple's own benchmarking. My real question, which will probably be answered next week, is how it compares to the generation right bef…

For years now, Apple's biggest competitor is Apple from five years ago. One of their biggest threats is that sales flatline because people are still using their perfectly good laptops and phones from several years ago. And that's a hard problem to deal with when you advertise your products as high-end goods that will last a long time.

I have family still using the 2017 Macbook Airs, happily. A year ago I replaced the battery on two of them (from OWC which still offers high quality ones). Every year I ask them if they want to upgrade to a new model Macbook and they refuse. Meanwhile I have other family on Chromebooks that they've had to replace twice already because they are too slow, or the hinges on the screen have worn out, or the charging port got too annoyingly loose.

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Post by wildrhythms »

andrewprock wrote: post #250
ezfe wrote: post #157

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I still know a number of my colleagues who haven't jumped onto the Apple Silicon machines despite our 2019 Intel machines being out of warranty (and thus eligible for replacement) for two years now

I'm still using a 2015 macbook for my personal daily driver. I have to plug it in regularly, but otherwise it works just fine for everything except video editing.

Are you able to replace the battery on those? I have done battery replacements on 2017 model Macbook Airs to great success. I get the batteries from OWC.

Re: Apple unveils M3, M3 Pro, and M3 Max

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Post by cyanydeez »

kivlad wrote: post #160

A few things I noticed, as I'm seeing the variety of SKUs becoming more complex. - Note that memory bandwidth is down. M2 Pro had 200GB/s, M3 Pro only has 150GB/s. M3 Max only has 400GB/s on the higher binned part. - Just like the low-spec M3 14" has one fewer Thunderbolt port, it also doesn't officially support Thunderbolt 4 (like M1/M2 before it) - The M3 Pro loses the option for an 8TB SSD. Likely because it was a…

Unfortunately, I don't see apple doing anything but price discrimination using mostly number goes up.

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Post by d3w4s9 »

015a wrote: post #816
unclejack wrote: post #632

These are still going to be used in laptops with soldered flash chips for the SSD. Apple's laptops aren't meant to be used by people who expect to repair their laptop when the storage fails. Many people don't have access to replacement chips and services to have the flash chips found on the board replaced. It's as if their hardware is meant to be e-waste. The RAM is still not ECC. They focus so much on the shallow ma…

My Windows desktop has generated significantly more e-waste per year than the Macs I have owned. Full stop. I've upgraded SSDs from 500gb to 1TB to now 2TB, upgraded graphics cards, and replaced a massive broken aluminum and copper heatsink. All in the last two years. I've had the same MacBook, in a similar timeframe. It gets just as much use. Its still rock-solid. Your concern is a hypothetical one. The inability to…

Sounds like your own problem. Apparently you like to replace and tweak things. Most people buy a good computer and are done with it, and if they ever upgrades something, the frequency is much lower than you. Don't blame your problem on others.

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Post by lathiat »

chx wrote: post #634
numpad0 wrote: post #533

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There's no reason a whole Thunderbolt bus is needed for every two displays. It's just Apple's decision to build their GPU that way. And to not support industry standard NVIDIA GPU on ARM Macs, too. 1 GPU typically supports 5 output over as little bandwidth as PCIe x1.

Not with nVidia, no, they are 4 displays, always has been. The NVS810 8x display card is using two GM107 GPUs. AMD is 6 displays. You see this rarely on consumer boards but the ASRock 5700 XT Taichi for some inexplicable reason did expose all six -- with four DisplayPorts to boot, too. I do not think there has been 4 DP or six output customer cards since.

Even with less ports you can use Display MST hubs to breakout 3 displays from one. (But not on a Mac, even intel, they never added driver support. Works in windows boot camp though)

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Post by camillomiller »

osigurdson wrote: post #939

I have a ~7 year old 27" iMac. It wasn't that expensive at the time and the screen is still way better than a lot of what is on the market today. Now, it is only available in a 24" version. Is time moving backward?

Have you seen in person the new iMac? The performance leap from that is insane. The 4,5K retina screen also fits as much even if not more than your 27-inch
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