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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by esotericimpl »

npteljes wrote: post #589
dudeinjapan wrote: post #567

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Lol who says he's being exploited? The dude has a couple billion, one doesn't get that kind of money by being gullible and easily exploitable. He can handle himself. Do we even know the valuation?

>who says he's being exploited? This source, for example: https://www.yourtango.com/2021341546/kanye-wests-documentary... People can be abused and be successful at the same time. Their success doesn't exempt them from being hurt, in fact, it makes them even more of a target, while they are not less vulnerable at all. Also I haven't implied that he's easily exploitable. The exploiter for example can be a real pro at i…

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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by esotericimpl »

YeBanKo wrote: post #821
jleyank wrote: post #95

Can't make private individuals or companies host your speech. Can't make people listen to your speech. There's no protection against civil (ie, non governmental) action against your speech. You want freedom, host it your self and be prepared to accept the consequences and gains. Go to Speakers Corner and have a go. Put up a website. Buy a TV/Radio station, or Internet provider.

Twitter became de-facto a part of public square. Especially since appointed and elected officials started using for official and non-official communicate. The US court of appeals said it pretty clearly here: https://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/local/4th-circui... Censoring individual twits is one thing, but banning entire account is a different thing, because now it restricts your ability to interact with ele…

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Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by Drblessing »

Maursault wrote: post #899
bheadmaster wrote: post #892

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I'm abandoning this conversation because you seem unwilling to respond to the point of my post and bring any kind of argument to the table that isn't "fallacy!". Also, fallacy fallacy.

Ad hominem and invincible ignorance. Who says what never matters, it is what is said that is the province of valid argument. I have made no unsupported assertions regarding the truth values of fallacious responses to my initial argument, only identified these responses as specific fallacies to justify not responding. Thus, I have not made any appeal to fallacy, leaving the accusation(s) of such as straw man arguments…

This is the greatest argument thread on Hacker News I've seen a while, and brought me lots of joy. Hats off to you gentlemen.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by bheadmaster »

rhelsing wrote: post #907
Maursault wrote: post #899

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Ad hominem and invincible ignorance. Who says what never matters, it is what is said that is the province of valid argument. I have made no unsupported assertions regarding the truth values of fallacious responses to my initial argument, only identified these responses as specific fallacies to justify not responding. Thus, I have not made any appeal to fallacy, leaving the accusation(s) of such as straw man arguments…

I agree with you. There was no attempt to engage the material of your original post. It was classified as psycho-babble from the outset and thus engaging it seriously would nullify that classification.

There was no attempt to engage with the material of the original post, because the original post contains no material, just various claims pulled out of thin air:

> Kanye is a garden variety manic-depressive

> It is likely West has one of the more benign flavors of NPD

> I think his biggest problem is BPD and drug abuse

The rest of the post is either true-sounding-at-first, but completely meaningless claims, or completely obvious things that provide no insight whatsoever.

> NPD patients usually don't suffer

Completely false. Narcissistic injury is extremely painful, and one of the reasons narcissists lash out in the first place.

> [NPD treatment can] correct if not cure the disorder in under 2 years

Also not true. Narcissism is a personality disorder, and "curing" narcissism in 2 years is not common. Everything "can" be done, theoretically, but the implications of the sentence is that Narcissism is somehow special in that regard. It's not.

> but due to the combination with NPD and vast wealth, and probably being surrounded by those that will never deny him his insane impulses, he's probably not going to get help until he bottoms out in clinical major depression for months, if he survives it

So assuming he's NPD, his wealth and sycophants will lead him to destruction? Yeah, quite profound. He also has clinical major depression? Where did that come from?

"Psycho-babble" is a perfectly appropriate description of the original comment.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by vba616 »

Maursault wrote: post #837
vba616 wrote: post #830

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> Bipolar disorder is genetic It is not. The question has been settled on a huge scale by historical events. If illnesses like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia were meaningfully caused by genetic factors, then the Nazi genocide of mentally ill people would have caused a dramatic and lasting reduction in mental illness post-war among the affected population. It didn't. You might also ask yourself, if something is gen…

> If illnesses like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia were meaningfully caused by genetic factors, then the Nazi genocide of mentally ill people would have caused a dramatic and lasting reduction in mental illness post-war among the affected population. It didn't. Citation needed. The population of Germany alone in 1940 was over 70M people. The Nazi's killed an estimated 230K disabled individuals, including the physi…

>Citation needed.

I read (ok, skimmed) an academic study that attempted to compare post-war populations with different histories, and failed to find evidence of an effect; if anything the reverse.

I dislike your sophistry about 50% of the population being mentally ill, as if the victims were chosen from that portion at random. So, out of spite, I'm not going to search for the study and you are free to believe that it doesn't exist.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by vba616 »

bdlowery wrote: post #897
vba616 wrote: post #830

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> Bipolar disorder is genetic It is not. The question has been settled on a huge scale by historical events. If illnesses like bipolar disorder or schizophrenia were meaningfully caused by genetic factors, then the Nazi genocide of mentally ill people would have caused a dramatic and lasting reduction in mental illness post-war among the affected population. It didn't. You might also ask yourself, if something is gen…

It can be genetic. But, just because someone has bipolar disorder doesn’t mean they carry the gene for it. If you have Bipolar disorder you can get tested to see if you have the gene for it. If you don’t then it can’t be passed down. Source: someone in my immediate family has it and their doctor told them this, got tested, and found out they didn’t have gene for it.

There are many contexts in healthcare where it's considered socially acceptable not to be strictly honest and accurate.

Psych drugs commonly say, or used to say, in the info leaflets something like they "correct imbalances of certain chemicals in the brain".

This is completely made up, and apart from the vagueness, obviously not reasonable when you consider that such drugs usually take a considerable amount of time to have their full effect.

But it's a customary "white lie" (or rather a fiction) to try to sooth patients and keep them confidently on meds. It's not a big secret, or a scandal, but an attempt to manipulate hopefully trusting people for their own good.

As another example of the dynamic, doctors treat patients who are inevitably going to die in the near future, and if they sense the patient is still holding out hope and still wants treatment, they will probably avoid accurately communicating the reality, the number of weeks or days left, and instead say things about progress and remission until the end.

I don't know what context "the gene" for bipolar disorder came up in, but could it possibly be that your family member was obsessed with "the gene" and the doctor humored them? You've heard of sugar pills?

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by mikercampbell »

Apocryphon wrote: post #308
mikercampbell wrote: post #303

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As a huge Eminem fan, 2011 was a good time to stop counting. I love his stuff, Revival, Kamazake, Music to be Murdered by - I probably know 10 songs almost by heart. But there's no denying that it's been a very different decade for Mathers and not everyone likes it.

Give him a couple of years more to include "Rap God."

Oh jeez, I forget that the LP 2 was released after 2010.

Re: Kanye West is buying Parler

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Post by Bubble_Pop_22 »

diceduckmonk wrote: post #469

"Great Minds Discuss Ideas. Average Minds Discuss Events. Small Minds Discuss People." I feel there's already disproportionate discussion here about a person and their cult of personality here. This doesn't feel quite in the spirit of HN. Even during the Elon Musk Twitter debacles there was still separate threads about the business dynamics and whether he is playing some kind of 4D chess. The attempts to quickly disc…

> This is a community to talk about entrepreneurship

Entrepreneurship is something you do for a living. A mean to get satisfaction and something you do to feel good.

You can have the best numbers but still be despised by the business community because of the way you act, and similarly nobody in the business community would trade places with you despite your amazing numbers because the way you act denotes mental illness. Money is worth nothing if you have mental illness.

It's exactly the case for Musk and West.

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