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Selection bias notwithstanding, we exist, which means life evolved at least once. If the universe can give rise to life it would be extremely odd that it did so exactly once.

"Extremely odd" is just handwaving here, an argument from personal incredulity. Regardless of how rare we are, we'd always observe ourselves. Therefore nothing can be deduced from our own existence.

You've created an axiom that says "randomized sample sizes are the only source of knowledge".

So of course it follows that you keep saying we know nothing about aliens and must reject speculation from what we know of the laws of physics. But it's only as true as the axiom that led you to that conclusion.

It doesn't strike me as a very compelling argument. In practice, every human believes things that don't have random sample sizes that prove their existence.

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I disagree. Moon is the closest celestial body to earth and we have historically been able to make very accurate observations and calculations based on its orbit and waxing and waning phases.

I think the point is that our current calendar does have historical roots involving the moon but isn’t actually useful for predicting moon phases, tides, etc. and thus is not in fact an important mechanism for modern calendars.

The purpose of a calender is to measure and predict the march of time. Ancient calenders used the moon and sun to determine time and seasons.

Modern calenders are designed to determine when people will work and when they will rest. The purpose is entirely different in our time.

Current calender’s historical roots only start from Ptolemaic and early Roman periods when the Romans created a planetary week. But it didn’t gain popularity especially in Western Europe. So they adopted the 6 day Jewish week and one day of the Lord’s day of rest.

Only where there was Roman rule and expansion, the new calender and planetary week was installed. Because the Romans needed to keep track of time to monitor work of their conquered territories.

Everywhere else, it was still the lunar calender/sun rise+set for time keeping and solar calender tracking the sun for seasons.

I hear you. I am just saying ‘modern’ is ‘western’ and the west is using time to clock in and clock out people who work. That’s for why if you are rich and don’t have to work, every day is weekend and every hour can be the proverbial ‘happy hour’.

In our time, calenders and clocks are used to track our obligations and when to file tax returns. I still follow the Indian Vedic lunisolar calender for moon cycles and seasons because it keeps me grounded and sane. I feel connected to the earth and sky.

It takes some effort to compartmentalise time for different purposes, but it gives me comfort and escape from the modern world. I am not disagreeing or trying to discredit the western and modern calender. I am just sharing what works for me and the origins of it from my culture/religion.

ETA: calendar has been misspelt as calender throughout. I think I did it once and for some reason, auto complete keeps using it. I don’t want to search and correct every spelling mistake. So this is a blanket correction.

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

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I disagree. Moon is the closest celestial body to earth and we have historically been able to make very accurate observations and calculations based on its orbit and waxing and waning phases.

But the Moon has no influence in modern everyday life. It did in the past, for scheduling fishing, to attack an enemy tribe when there’s no moon, or to hunt nocturnal animals when there is.

Moon influences us in three ways: Time, Tide and Light.

We now have apps that inform us. But. If we can read a lunar calendar, we can organise our life around the moon cycles.

There is a reason the word ‘lunatic’ is derived from ‘lunar’. We are mostly made of water. Luna definitely has an effect on our bodies and our moods. Why isn’t it a good thing to understand the ecosystems around us that is time and space..and the ecosystem with us that is mind and body?

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

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So what are the "imperial" Volts and Amperes?

As an unashamed imperial units enthusiast, now I’m sad we don’t have different ones for current and potential. But at least we still have horsepower! My PSU is a 3/4-horse unit. My toaster oven is a full horsepower. I like it.

Your battery-electric vehicle has a capacity of 70 thousand horsepower-hours

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

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Sure, if “rational” means that you only do that one thing (science/tech) and have no quirks, personality traits, faiths, etc. outside of that.

Agreed. This makes me wonder if a purely rational species is something that can even survive evolution. A lot of irrational behaviors we exhibit are likely the result of traits that have helped us survive in the wild.

If those traits helped us survive in the wild, they WERE rational. The point being, a fictional species that was able to widely remove once-rational but no longer rational things is the important bit. It's evidence that they have the capability, and either through a "better" society, or an extreme but likely stable authoritarian system that prioritized scientific endeavors like visiting far star systems and meeting the creatures there with no intention to harm, are able to make changes to themselves to make things better.

That is not a feature we share. We only occasionally make things better for all of humanity.

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

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Don’t forget to point out the absurd arbitrariness the kilo part. Base ten number systems are just as arbitrary as the rest of this stuff we’re mocking.

"Kilo-" as a prefix just means thousand, derived from Greek. Doesn’t seem arbitrary to me. Can you explain what you mean by that? Of course, all number systems are arbitrary in a sense.

One thousand is an arbitrary number, and apart from its special place in our base 10 number system is no more special than, say, nine hundred ninety-nine.

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

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Citation needed. Klein Dictionary gives the etymology of שַׁבָּת as derived from שׁבת (to rest). I also found references suggesting the origin is with the Akkadian šapattum, the 15th of the month, but none related to שׁבע (which originates in Proto-Canaanite). היּוֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִי (note the definite form!) is how Saturday is referred to in Genesis 2:2-3, without actually having the name שַׁבָּת. There's a some discuss…

Trying to read this on Android (in Materialistic) was fascinating, each line containing a Hebrew (?) word caused some of the words around it to switch places, but the words themselves are fine??

Unicode TR-9 is a hard beast to tame.

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

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Base 60 and 12/24 make sense, because these are https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highly_composite_number .

The rest is so bad, that it needed one of the best mathematicians who ever lived on our planet to compute the date of our highest religious festival: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_Easter#Gauss's_Easter_...

We even named our electric calculation machines computer after the act of calculating the day of Easter: Computus.

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

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> It works great for the purpose that it was used: counting groups of days when regular humans didn't have the luxury of more precise calendars. If you want a quarter month then have a quarter month. Having a set of days that pretends to be a quarter month but rapidly falls out of sync is worse than having no quarter month at all. If you gave any other reason for seven days, I wouldn't say it doesn't work right. But…

Having a set of days that pretends to be a quarter month but rapidly falls out of sync is worse than having no quarter month at all. So you want to reform the week, the only time cycle that hasn't been altered in millennia to sync it with... what exactly? Different groups of time have different goals. Scientific and technical applications only use the second. Years are useful both for agriculture and astronomy. Year…

> So you want to reform the week, the only time cycle that hasn't been altered in millennia to sync it with... what exactly?

No. I don't want to change the week at all. I'm just saying that "the week is 7 days so it's a quarter month" is broken as hell.

Re: Someday aliens will land and all will be fine until we explain our calendar

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Alien: So what is your first month? Human: January A: And why is it called that? H: It's named for the god Janus. A: Ah yes, many civilizations name their time divisions after deities, what is he the god of? H: I don't know, we don't worship him anymore. A: Ahh so you guys have moved past your need for religion H: No, no, we still worship gods, just different ones. A: Okay then, how about February, what god is that m…

Funny! :D the said alien should then talk with Lithuanian because every month name more or less is describes what is happening during that month
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