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Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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> but plenty of people still want to be one The much higher salary makes up for it, but you can't seriously expect teachers to get the same salary as lawyers.

Many teachers have better education than lawyers. One of the reasons that the NEA is such a powerful union, is that its members, are, by definition, educated to a Masters Degree, or better.

unions are one of the reasons nobody likes teachers

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Could you provide some concrete examples please?

Sure https://criticalrace.org/ details anti-white hate training in higher education including teaching colleges as well as elite private high schools, and the Minneapolis Teachers’ union’s new anti-white hate policy has been widely reported for example by msn https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/minneapolis-teachers-union...

This is kind of like saying that programs and scholarships for disadvantaged youths are "anti-wealth".

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Pay teachers more and more people will teach. On a website so dedicated to discussion of free market principles, the amount of rationalization people put themselves through to avoid this simple conclusion is both funny and tragic.

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The same problem is happening in NL, it's a downwards spiral really that concerns me a lot. The government is trying to improve the situation by increasing pay a little, but with the current inflation it is probably too little, too late. A relative of mine became a teacher after a career switch, and while she likes the work, there are many frustrations: - Parents have a 'the customer is always right'-attitude, and co…

I always respected Dutch teachers as they did the core work and didn't do extra work like after school sports or clubs. Is that correct? I feel US teachers are expected to do too much non-teaching work.

They don't do sport or clubs, but still spend plenty of time on grading and preparation.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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I don't deny that there are teachers getting shafted all over the US; I'd just want people to know that the deal in many (most? all?) major urban school districts is surprisingly strong.

One suburban school district that you know of. I'm sure there are others. I'm not sure how you're extrapolating to many or all major urban school districts.

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Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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I've been working as a software dev for 20+ years,the only time I actually truly worked 60+ hours a week was when I was attempting to get my own startup off the ground. Other than that, it's usually been 10-15 of actual work work. Really not trying to brag, but to bring context to the conversation,I make 10 times what a teacher makes. I think it's a real problem teachers are underpaid and undervalued. IMO schools sho…

I just did the math. Paying every teacher $150k would cost more than my entire local district gets in total funding every year. That's a lot of new property taxes.

Or... maybe reduce our defense budget nationally. We have endless funds for wars and bailing out large corporations. We don't need to raise taxes to accomplish this.

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One suburban school district that you know of. I'm sure there are others. I'm not sure how you're extrapolating to many or all major urban school districts.

I've looked at a bunch of them (I have this argument somewhat frequently). But, sure: let's find some examples. What's a major metro where you think teachers probably get a raw deal? This is easy data to pull up.

I know OPS in Omaha doesn't pay crap. Last year's pay schedule started at $43k with a bachelor's, 47k with a master's, and 51k with a doctorate. Maxes at $71,400 with a doctorate. 2022-23 starts at $44k with a bachelor's and maxes at 75k with a doctorate.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Some of the worst educational outcomes in the US are in deep blue states and deep blue cities. Meanwhile, suburban communities in the US tend to vote more "red" and are also the places people go to raise families because of the better public schools.

in the USNews ranking, 8/10 of the best states Pre-K-12 are blue, while 10/10 worst are red.[1] When you evaluate things beyond the partisan lens, poverty is a massive predictor in education outcomes which is why many deep blue cities do poorly and why many deep red states do poorly as well. Separately, the suburbs in the US are about as purple as it gets. Suburbs also have the lowest rate of poverty compared to urba…

The point is that it isn't a question of "red" states not wanting women to have high paying jobs.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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My wife is a primary public school teacher in the U.S. I read to her your comment, and she said to me, "We have 21 teachers at our school, and only one of them resembles what that comment describes."

As an anecdote, I was a math major. I took an elective course on the history of mathematics, which must have been a requirement for math education majors, who were under a separate department and even college (i.e., not the math department or college of the arts and sciences). I was the only math major, and I'm pretty sure the only male in a class of about 20 or so. The professor was one of the easiest and most strai…

Education programs are the cash cows of universities. They are universally, intentionally subpar compared to the other colleges.

Re: Nobody wants to teach anymore

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Lesson plans vary by the day, so I’m not sure how exactly you would do that without the data from the previous day.

Teachers aren't paid to personalize lessons though, if you work overtime to do that then you can only blame yourself. Teachers are paid to hold standardized lessons and answer questions help students with problems. You could argue it would be better if teachers were paid to personalize lectures, but they aren't. Maybe some document somewhere says they should, but in practice nothing will happen to you if you just use…

"Teachers should stop caring and just do the minimum necessary to get paid" isn't really a strong argument in favor of the status quo.
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