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Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by Dwelve »

hnarn wrote: post #926
Dwelve wrote: post #909

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Ugh... what's worse than the actual censorship are people like you that pretend to not understand the issue, at all. First of all, WHO ARE YOU ARGUING WITH?!? - "proponent of a free market"? Who are you talking to? Critics of these reactions are not these people, so why on earth are you pretending you want to have a discussion when you deliberately choose to argue with people that have no objection to them? You're ta…

First of all, your tone does not belong on HN. Secondly, you claim that I do not "understand the issue, at all", which is ironic to say the least since you then go on to make the following examples as presumably equal to what is going on with JR: - Discriminating artists across the board based on ethnicity - Social networks banning end-users for having an opinion Neither of these are in any way similar to selling you…

Your agitation does not belong on HN either, yet here it is.

Why are you pretending this is a difficult issue to understand, it very clearly isn't. You're making up random assertions that fit your own predetermined perspective. Everybody that makes money on Youtube or Twitter or Spotify agreed to certain terms. And these terms say they can be deplatformed. So yes, the artist getting displaced based on ethnicity and the anti-war opinion getting banned is exactly the same thing. And it seems you think this is justifiable as long as a spread sheet says it's profitable to do so.

I'm not opening a discussion here, there is nothing to discuss. I'm simply following your own logic to it's conclusion. Your input is not necessary in any of this.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by CyberRabbi »

MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #929
CyberRabbi wrote: post #803

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I believe in companies having freedom to do what they want but I also believe in civil rights. We need the civil right to prevent large corporations from discriminating against opinions they do not like.

I don't believe governments should force private companies or people to publish or say things they don't want to. But I do think there is an issue where companies that are monopolies control large parts of public discourse. I would prefer the right to be able to participate in public discourse without being tied to particular companies. For example, interoperability protocols for messaging and social networking. Then…

> I don't believe governments should force private companies or people to publish or say things they don't want to.

Do you believe governments should force private companies to serve people they don’t want to? If so, then you understand how civil rights work. It’s not enough to ensure the government respects our rights, the government must also ensure that private companies respect our rights. Free speech has become a civil rights issue.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by politicslol »

roamerz wrote: post #863
hagy wrote: post #806

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I agree that Spotify has the legal right to stop distributing any content they find objectionable. Anyone arguing that Spotify’s action is a first amendment violation is simply wrong. A private entity, like Spotify, can decide what content to distribute at their own discretion. I don’t think many people are making this argument. Instead, I think many of us are arguing that Spotify shouldn’t exercise that option just…

>chiefly culturally conservative prude The difference in me (chiefly culturally conservative prude) and the liberal cancel culture is that I won’t try to silence someone’s choices based on my values. You may listen to whatever you want and I hope you get enjoyment out of it. I support your freedoms and a lot of good men have died to protect them.

Joe Rogan is not being censored for his political beliefs. There are many conservative podcasts on Spotify. He is being censored for medical disinformation. If you've listened to JRE over the last 2 years, he regularly (a) disparages the research and conclusions of medical professionals and (b) presents his own anecdotal views as fact. It is not "I think COVID is X", it is "COVID is X". This is neither in the realm of opinion nor in the realm of politics. This is a debate on whose medical authority to trust.

I wish people would have the integrity to speak about the situation honestly.

Discussions with conservatives on issues like this inevitably result in every topic being badly grafted and transposed into a discussion on "left-wing culture". The issue-at-hand is rarely, if ever, the point. Reading conservative commentary on this issue, one would believe that he was banned from Spotify for stating that he believed that small government was preferable to big government. It's completely and utterly fucking disingenuous.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by toraway1234 »

rbanffy wrote: post #536
concinds wrote: post #324

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The open web is dead. It's likely Rogan would have been banned from YouTube and Apple Podcasts had he not moved to Spotify. He could have moved to tiny platforms like Odysee or Rokfin that would likely have poor retention rates, or just relied on people adding his URL manually to Apple Podcasts, but come on. Nobody would do that. The "death of the open web" problem isn't creators somehow consistently choosing to empo…

> The open web is dead. Spotify is NOT the open web. Rogan can host the audio files on his own site. That’s the open web. Spotify is under no obligation to offer him or anyone any sort of service if they don’t want to.

"Just host your own website bro."

You'll get unbanked, say you move over to Bitcoin.

You'll then get banned from hosting company because they got a call from somebody, or they themselves were threatened with unbanking.

"Just use your own bare metal bro."

Say, data center will get a call from somebody and will drop you as a client.

"Just build your own data cecnter bro."

Cool, doable, who will uplink you? Comcast? They will drop you as well.

"Just build your own internet uplink bro."

Now this one is hard.

Here's where Web3 comes in, Rogan can host his content in IPFS and accept Bitcoin payments.

If that were to happen, he or his family wouuld probably get physically threatened then, sadly.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by [deleted] »

smus wrote: post #782
ComradePhil wrote: post #607

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>I don't really understand why anyone who claims to be a proponent of a free market economy has an issue with a private corporation deciding what type of content they want to broadcast. What I don't understand is how this idea comes up every time something like this is discussed. I'm assuming that this does not receive convincing counter-arguments which is why I will attempt to do so here. Almost everyone who believe…

Can you explain what a regulated free market is? Doesn't the market stop being free once it's regulated?

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Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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Post by WithinReason »

zimpenfish wrote: post #917
steelstraw wrote: post #914

It was only a question of time before the all-out war on Rogan began. He's way too big and off-key to permit him to keep going. The concept of free speech in the US is a mirage: you have it right up to the line where it matters or can threaten power centers, then you don't. Every major institution is united to destroy Rogan, including the WH. The Press Secretary -- speaking on behalf of the US Govt -- demanded Spotif…

> It was only a question of time before the all-out war on Rogan began. Apparently those 70 episodes have racial slurs in. It's not really an "all-out war on Rogan" as much as "Spotify don't want to be seen to be hosting racial slurs in their most visibly public content that they made a specific point of paying $$$ for", right?

Why not just beep the word though?
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