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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

mikewarot wrote: post #432
hdjjhhvvhga wrote: post #292

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> they have to deal with the GDPR headache What headache? A sensible solution: when EU visitor is detected, don't set cookies. Purdue solution: when EU visitor is detected, block them.

>when EU visitor is detected, don't set cookies How do you know that somewhere in the stack of things the server is running isn't something that would set a cookie for some valid reason, and thus trigger the EU's stupid laws? A positive stop, the redirect to a text page, is far better than a hope and a prayer.

Not setting cookies is a radical solution. Actually there is no problem with cookies at all unless they are being used to identify the individual. [0] So by definition any valid reason causes absolutely no problem. It is only if you decide that you want to deal with personally identifiable information, transfer it to third parties etc., it becomes problematic. People in the EU quickly learned not to do that and we're very happy about it.

[0] https://www.itgovernance.eu/blog/en/how-the-gdpr-affects-coo...

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by Zigurd »

thegrimmest wrote: post #816
Zigurd wrote: post #738

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I am estranged from libertarianism. Too many people self-assigning that label are against women's rights, voting rights, and are comfortable with the dictator in Russia. And this is before one gets to issues like Pareto optimal policies entrenching existing disadvantages.

Have you become attracted to authoritarianism then? I'd be very curious as to why. I'm very much pro women's and voting rights, and am under no illusion that Russia is somehow a liberal place. If you're referring to abortion, I think the main disagreement between sensible people is the point at which a group of cells becomes a child, deserving of protection? And whose responsibility is that child? My answers are at c…

This "the idea of forcing people to cooperate is taking a moral stance that I simply cannot follow" is why libertarianism, especially recently, is naive and counterproductive.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by throwaway21_ »

rackjack wrote: post #747
ilamont wrote: post #330

In 2019, Frances Hui, a student at Emerson College in Boston, wrote an opinion piece for the student newspaper titled "I am from Hong Kong, not China” (1) and she was subjected to doxxing and death threats: The most jarring comment came from a Chinese student at Emerson, who made Hui’s personal Facebook posts public. In one post, he wrote a comment that translates to: “Whomever opposes my greatest China, no matter ho…

The Chinese government has seeped its way into nearly every facet of American life. This is most visible in Disney movies (see: the Mulan and Lion King remakes) but it is happening to many companies and universities where they use our own greed against us. I hope America will wake up and realize we have fighting a hidden war, but we are so divided I doubt we'll notice until we've lost, if we notice at all.

You mean you want US to be even more jingoistic? It won't be an easy task for sure as I'm reading propaganda pieces almost every day for a last few years in a places that earlier were almost politics free (ars technica, hn...) - regular new sites not to mention.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by throwaway894345 »

gpvos wrote: post #834
throwaway894345 wrote: post #113

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Right, block access and carry on with your day.

No, stop tracking. (And there are other ways too which are not that much harder.)

“Not much harder” for the technical person maybe, but for the nontechnical person who doesn’t even know what information their software stores or for how long much less the requirements to appease GDPR, it’s much easier to block and get on with life especially considering what little legitimate EU-originating traffic their site probably received when the decision to geoblock was made.

How does a nontechnical user with little knowledge of GDPR know if he needs to display a cookie popup (he may not even know what a cookie is or whether or not his software uses them or in what capacity). What about email addresses in user accounts? Is he now collecting private information and making himself culpable for expunging that information on request? He may not even know how to expunge in the case of log files or other artifacts. “Not much harder” my arse.

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by thegrimmest »

Zigurd wrote: post #933
thegrimmest wrote: post #816

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you become attracted to authoritarianism then? I'd be very curious as to why. I'm very much pro women's and voting rights, and am under no illusion that Russia is somehow a liberal place. If you're referring to abortion, I think the main disagreement between sensible people is the point at which a group of cells becomes a child, deserving of protection? And whose responsibility is that child? My answers are at c…

This "the idea of forcing people to cooperate is taking a moral stance that I simply cannot follow" is why libertarianism, especially recently, is naive and counterproductive.

Would you care to elaborate as to why? Is productivity or Pareto optimization universally more important than agency? How did you arrive at this conclusion?

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by rralian »

anamax wrote: post #886
nneonneo wrote: post #824

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I feel compelled to clarify this: Hong Kong is part of China, and has been since 1997. Saying that Hong Kong is not part of China is like saying that Texas is not part of the United States because at one point they seceded. These days, Texas has no more right to secede from the US than Hong Kong from China, even if there are people in both territories who would prefer full independence. Consequently, to a Chinese per…

People say "I'm from Texas, not the US" all the time and no one cares.

It’s like saying “I’m from Austin, not Texas.”

Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by toss1 »

dang wrote: post #911
toss1 wrote: post #839

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Perhaps. Indeed, I haven't done a controlled study. It has just jumped out at me how consistently and reliably items on that topic generate those responses. It's also consistent with available open-source info on ops of the CCP and Russian govt. which include social media trolling to promote their POV, undermine rival POVs, and/or sow discord (and considering the ROI on such ops, they'd be negligent to not do them co…

> It has just jumped out at me I don't mean to pile on, but this is exactly the point: what jumps out at each of us is precisely the stuff that we find most disagreeable. If you had the opposite preference, opposite stuff would jump out. The effect that this has is very strong, and the conclusions it produces are completely unreliable. (I'm talking about all of us here, not you personally!)

>>I don't mean to pile on, I definitely don't see a good rebuttal as piling on, and this is a kinder way to start the rebuttal

>>but this is exactly the point, what jumps out at each of us is precisely the stuff that we find most disagreeable.

Yup, that is a good point, so I should be looking more strongly for that effect and contrary indicators as well.

Thx for being persistent enough to clarify.

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