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Talking to my brother-in-law who's a CEO of a tech company, he said that his recruiter put 2 jobs out. Both identical, except one was work in the office while the other was work from home but with a $20k in pay reduction...

The work from home job got over 60 applications while the work in the office got a single application.

... the "Great Resignations" wave is definitely coming.

Re: “Great resignation” wave coming for companies

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Meaning, in my view, is not a switch; it's a dial. We can have some more than we have now. Overall I agree with you: I'm not naive, nor am I a utopianist. I'm fine with more equitable. But we're so entrenched in the status quo that it feels like you have to talk like a revolutionary to get even a shred of "a little more equitable". Edit: wait though what's a "post-scarcity" economy, anyway, concretely? I've heard sin…

Post-scarcity just refers to a time after scarcity, which is defined as limited resources. In a world that is post-scarcity, everyone can have everything they want (materially) without infringing on anyone else's ability to have the same. The reason it gets brought up is because the moment one person's needs or wants infringe on another's, there needs to be a way to decide who gets what. Generally, this is what peopl…

By definition, this is impossible to achieve. Assume that some person says I want what everyone else has. There is no post scarcity. It is better to think of it as meeting a set of pre-defined needs. These needs can change over time. for e.g., internet access. But framing it as wanting everything I could possibly imagine is a straw-man.

Re: “Great resignation” wave coming for companies

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> If I am running the company, I would MUCH rather operate short-handed than "fix" my recruiting problems by lowering the bar. Nobody is talking about lowering the bar, but of putting the bar in the right zipcode. An extremely high bar of leetcode testing is irrelevant to the actual job, so that's an irrelevant bar.

This may seem coldly logical but in the absence of my own researched opinions, I am evaluating the merit of the opinion about these interviews based on their origin: You have - companies that settled on this process, who have been able to attract top tallent that has cleared this bar. You have - employees of these companies that were able to clear the interview bar. And then you have - people who don't work for these…

Your argument is a tautology, it doesnt examine any merits of the system, and is no different from: "You have - companies that settled on using skin colour, who have been able to attract top tallent that has cleared this bar."

Or: "World's best banks and world's best traders have invested in subprime mortgages, they couldn't all be wrong?"

Re: “Great resignation” wave coming for companies

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Interesting. Looks like a rising trend since the last financial crises. The effect of corona seems to be limited to a dip around the beginning of the pandemic, presumably due to uncertainty. No great resignation wave though, judging by the graph.

No great resignation wave, are we looking at the same charts? Both charts have the highest values ever since they started tracking this in 2001, and we've only seen increases in monthly quits since the start of 2021.

All non-farm looks like the continuation of existing trends and professional and business services looks lower than existing trends.

Re: “Great resignation” wave coming for companies

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>I think lots of myth and propaganda about work got blown up in the last year. Many years of corporations "boiling the frog" and slowly lowering flexibility and not improving pay have been reset. People hadn't noticed, and now they have. It'll probably happen all over again, but at least there's hope for now.

One quick note is that the boiling frog metaphor actually doesn't happen in nature. When the water is too hot, the frogs jump out https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2006/09/the-b...

Well yeah, when the job is too crappy people quit, too. But they stay a lot longer when the job gets crappy slowly than when it suddenly gets crappy overnight.

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I learnt of this sort of thing only after I moved to the UK, where it's traditional for wealthy and middle-upper-class kids to take a long break between college and university - a habit that probably comes from the times of the "grand tours" of continental Europe in XVIII and XIX century. I've met people who do it on a 6-months basis - 6 months travelling, 6 months earning. They don't make much, their career is somew…

I wonder if maternity/paternity leave laws in UK have any affect on making this more feasible? My understanding is that workers get a year of maternity leave, a few weeks of paternity leave, and there is some sort of sharing arrangement whereby maternity leave can be used to extend paternity leave. When maternity/paternity leave ends, the worker must be given their job back. I'd expect that at many employers they can…

Maternity temping is definitely a thing. Also, hospitality - outside London, the flow of tourists is typically too low in the Winter months to sustain jobs, but picks up significantly in Summer. The Christmas Rush also starts around mid-October now, in terms of recruiting, so that will give you around 3 months of steady employment in bookshops and other retail.

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Post-scarcity is often talked about in binary terms. We've either reached post-scarcity or we haven't. I believe the transition to post-scarcity will be gradual, that it will happen faster in some sectors of society than others, and that this process may take multiple generations to complete. This has been the case with every other major economic shift, why would it not be the case with post-scarcity? If this is how…

We are indeed already a little ways down that road, and the answer we've come to is: Everyone still has to work. Most jobs that people have now aren't strictly necessary. If everyone gave up their leisure time to do all of their own cooking and cleaning, a massive set of jobs would disappear overnight. If we all at local, another. And the list goes on. Effectively, what happens is, we invent new jobs that are based o…

If we're to have a true market then we need to eliminate a bunch of market distortions, in particular the 30-hour threshold where a job is considered full-time and the 5-hour binary cutoff for unemployment, so that people who want to work somewhere between 5 and 30 hours a week (which I suspect is actually most people) can actually express that preference by offering a price for that much labour.

Re: “Great resignation” wave coming for companies

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I know quite a few people from various background (finance, multinational corporations, non-profits) doing things like these. Depends on employer. In hindsight always regarded as one of the best decisions of their lives (along with reducing workload to 80%, usually 4 days/week). We all know that once old, the amount of money earned/saved will mean absolutely nothing in terms of happiness/achievement. Work achievement…

> We all know that once old, the amount of money earned/saved will mean absolutely nothing in terms of happiness/achievement. I dont think this is true at all. Money in retirement means the difference between mostly maintaining your standard of living after work an “choosing between medicine and food each week”. I think a lot of people saving up and then spending all their savings to party every 5 years are in for a…

US vs Europe perspective - here you can rely on healthcare much more to actually take care of you while not ruining you. One of the benefits of not living in a society which more in the mode of 'everybody for themselves, and fuck the rest'

Re: “Great resignation” wave coming for companies

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China achieving an equivalent standard of living would probably not work out so well for the authoritarian government there - but it would work out surprisingly well for Marxism. Actually equalizing US and Chinese wages would lead to an extreme acceleration of other areas with depressed wages and, potentially, lead to the world becoming more equal in wages without the current assumed approach - that US wages will def…

>China achieving an equivalent standard of living would probably not work out so well for the authoritarian government there That myth has been disproven long ago. Achieving a high standard of living and level of education does not magically cause people to pour into the streets and protest against their authoritarian governments. >A world where China elevates itself to the US's level is one we should celebrate in th…

This is mild fear mongering - I’m skeptical of Xi myself. But You are projecting the colonial powers’ treatment of the world onto a nation that has never done anything close to what you describe.

Re: “Great resignation” wave coming for companies

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Well, this is an ultra-cynical take on the article. It's also a little myopic in the sense that it assumes increased work flexibility must somehow have a high associated cost, such as loss of insurance, or lack of job stability. That just isn't the case. Although I don't believe that we're about to enter some form of work/life balance utopia, just from my own circle of friends, big changes are inbound. Firstly, many…

Actually just requested a 4 day work week for the same amount of money. Wish me luck! Seems reasonable to me tho, I can probably provide the same amount of value as if I worked 5 days a week - but who knows maybe they will just give me more work to do instead!

Good luck! Now is the time to do it, and get it put into your contract. You have additional leverage as employers are panicked by stories of workers resigning en masse if not granted additional working from home time.

Don't fall for the "you can do more work because you're not commuting" line - if commuting is considered work time, then you deserve to be remunerated for that time, and they owe you back pay for each day you commuted in the past.

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