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Bitcoin Is Time

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Re: Bitcoin Is Time

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post #401

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I'm genuinely amazed at how you're able to take such an in-depth, thoughtfully written article, and reduce it into a mere "bitcoin is a waste of time, people are gamblers".

I’ve come to realize, that prejudice is amplified online. Prejudice is, at its root, poorly examined opinions based on insufficient evidence. Prejudice gets amplified because it often seems insightful, and online, barraged by information all day, people click, read these blurbs and one liners, then pass them on. Prejudice is also emotionally satisfying because typically people believe what is already inline with thei…

Except in this case the prejudice is spot on. That is where the absurdity starts. These comments have no right to be correct and yet they are. When you do your own research you will reach the same conclusions as them.

>I fear all the ways Prejudice is pushing us apart, and away from fact, understanding, and compassion.

As said, it's absolutely defying expectations. It's driving people toward fact, understanding and compassion.

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

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Let me fix that title. Happy to be downvoted into negative territory. I only have 11 points. Go ahead. "Bitcoin Is A Waste of Time (and Resources)" What Bitcoin has done is that it taught people they can come together in a sustained flash mob (like an on-the-fly hedge fund operation) and manipulate the price of speculative assets by creating artificial short-term pump-n-dump type demand. Bitcoin has trained our colle…

Interest rates are negative - if you're saving in cash you're losing money. Everyone is happy to gamble in assets and commodities because the money has to go somewhere and it's not like there's infinite opportunities the money can go into, so it's "to the moon" on the markets.

Yes this is true. What people want is a less risky investment/inflation hedge and the Fed is forcing people to accept more risk. That's not a good thing because there are better ways to utilize the stimulus money.

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

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Let me fix that title. Happy to be downvoted into negative territory. I only have 11 points. Go ahead. "Bitcoin Is A Waste of Time (and Resources)" What Bitcoin has done is that it taught people they can come together in a sustained flash mob (like an on-the-fly hedge fund operation) and manipulate the price of speculative assets by creating artificial short-term pump-n-dump type demand. Bitcoin has trained our colle…

Why do you think young people today are willing to take these extreme risks? Casinos and speculative instruments existed decades ago. I think it's because of the massive economic inequality that people experience today. Working an unskilled, or even a skilled job doesn't go as far today as it has in the past. Many people have internalized that they will never be as "successful" or as rich as their elders. Given that…

You're absolutely correct. The inability to "make it" through honest work makes people hopeless and thus they would rather lose money because of their gambling decisions than to give up on the potential for massive gains that are otherwise impossible.

I just wish it didn't have to be this way.

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

#934

Let me fix that title. Happy to be downvoted into negative territory. I only have 11 points. Go ahead. "Bitcoin Is A Waste of Time (and Resources)" What Bitcoin has done is that it taught people they can come together in a sustained flash mob (like an on-the-fly hedge fund operation) and manipulate the price of speculative assets by creating artificial short-term pump-n-dump type demand. Bitcoin has trained our colle…

You just described the stock market. The only difference is that before, there were only a handful of people with the power and tools to manipulate it (ie. Wall Street), whereas now, due to the power of the Internet and social networks, masses of people are able to coordinate to achieve similar effects. In a way, what has been happening lately, is the democratization of the power to game the system. Which doesn’t mea…

The stock market suffers from the same biases that Bitcoin speculators suffer from. However, Bitcoin only suffers from the biases. At least with the stock market the stock actually represents a company, even if its overvalued. However, when people are talking about the stock market absolutely nobody wants it to be out of whack with reality. All those people who are bullish on Tesla want Tesla to become a huge company that is worth its valuation. The fact that it probably won't happen is just something we have to accept and consider the risk when buying Tesla stock.

People insist on chaos with Bitcoin. It's the only way you can make money off of it.

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

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post #858

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Mining is productive. It supports the payment system. BTC does not. If we took 90% of all coins, shoved them in a wallet, and destroyed the key it wouldn't change the network's capabilities at supporting payments or storing value or whatever. That's the difference between a productive asset and something else. An AMZN share on the other hand represents some small percentage of actual labor and production being done b…

> An AMZN share on the other hand represents some small percentage of actual labor and production being done by Amazon's employees. Which is nice on paper but is functionally worthless for virtually all shareholders unless AMZN pays a dividend, no? The only way to generate wealth from AMZN right now is to give it to someone else for more money than you paid for it. If you bought AMZN 20 years ago for retirement, you'…

>Which is nice on paper but is functionally worthless for virtually all shareholders unless AMZN pays a dividend, no? The only way to generate wealth from AMZN right now is to give it to someone else for more money than you paid for it. If you bought AMZN 20 years ago for retirement, you'd still be waiting for that asset to produce anything on its own. For fun, compare that to the East India companies which paid up to double digit dividends from year one.

Of course when an investor buys single stocks he is taking on the risk that the company has to survive until it pays out dividends or does stock buybacks. However, literally everyone knows and understands that risk. Everyone has heard about companies going bankrupt. This is why you are supposed to have a portfolio of a variety of stocks. Employees who receive stock compensation want to avoid the risk that their employer will disappear and they lose their job and the stocks both at the same time.

But if we assume that Amazon is not paying out dividends right now because it is still growing (I don't know, haven't checked since I consider Amazon to be an awful company) then it would grow its ability to pay out dividends in the future. There will be one day in the future that Amazon will stop growing and then be forced to just pay out the profits. If it turns out that the margins at the end are super thin and it can't pay enough dividends to justify its market cap then the value of the stock will simply go down because investors sell their stock and look for companies with growth potential. This will happen until the value of the stock is low enough that the valuation of the company is entirely based on dividends.

>pure speculation on an asset which currently does not produce anything on its own -- and has no guarantee that it ever will.

This is an undesirable property of the stock market, at least if you were to ask the central bank or government or me. With Bitcoin, this is actually considered desirable because there is nothing to it other than speculation.

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

#936
post #488

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>Monero's technology enables private and untraceable transactions Not exactly. The decoy inputs/outputs provide some plausible deniability when you look at a transaction in isolation, but over repeated transactions it gets gradually lost. It's not enough to pin you as a criminal with 100% certainty, but it's enough for the police to keep an eye on you and wait for you to slip up.

> but over repeated transactions Doesn't this require an exchange to provide external information? It is my understanding that it's impossible to correlate transactions using blockchain analysis alone.

>Doesn't this require an exchange to provide external information

or a donation address, or a cooperative counterparty when you buy/sell something (think darknet market that got radided, or a payment processor that sells its transaction information).

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

#937
post #393

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It's not new. History is full of these schemes. Eventually everyone who wants bitcoin has bought it, and there are no more bids.

The entire world of finance is built upon there being an infinitely increasing supply of people who want to buy in. You're effectively saying that the global economy is also a scheme. I wouldn't disagree with that, it's just that what you're describing isn't unique to bitcoin.

Actually, it's the opposite. The economy keeps getting more productive and this has to be countered with inflation to keep prices stable and reward further productivity growth.

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

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Video rendering is enormously wasteful. Nobody needs to see your TikTok video of you getting a grandma to slip on a banana peel. The list goes on. Having a global store of value where central banks cant print away peoples lifelong labor they sacrificed their time and health for sounds legitimate to me.

Bitcoin is far too volatile to be a good store of value. There are much more stable ways to protect savings against inflation.

All that matters for a store of value is the long term moving average

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

#939
post #817

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You think its a small problem? Imagine as many horses as cars in a dense urban environment, each one using those bags. Now how do you get all those bags out without garbage trucks? It isn't as easy a problem as our modern minds might imagine. Of course, cars as the savior is also an oversimplified narrative, but it was a fun one.

Have you seen the amount of waste we humans generate? have you seen the landfills?

Sure, but the horse era was before efficient solutions to those problems as well. Cf, "night soil" and the processes used to (try) to keep it from stinking up the city.

Re: Bitcoin Is Time

#940
post #654

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Well what you say has some merit, but... Goldrush FOMO is a very powerful force. Not saying this applies to you, but I think some people can’t stand the cognitive dissonance of being a hacker and not getting into bitcoin, missing out on life-changing money. To deal with it, they need to vilify bitcoin often on quasi-moral grounds.

That's a fallacy into which they're falling. Not a logical one, just a mental fault in their thinking. You and everyone else around you are always missing out on life-changing money . I missed out on GameStop when it was $4. Roaring Kitty was posting on YouTube then... but I didn't know about him. I didn't hear anything about GameStop until it was already in the hundreds of dollars. I missed out on Tesla. I missed ou…

>There's always going to be some thing that everyone misses out on.

Definitively, I don't have enough money to execute all the possible investment strategies I want to follow up on.

It's also weird that the bet size is being ignored. With Bitcoin your maximum bet size is much smaller than with stocks because of the high risk. I can put more money into stocks because they are less risky and thus I can actually end up being exposed to greater gains.

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